Originally Posted by Liza24
Unless you have facts to back up what you say and not HERESAY, then i suggest you be careful what you say. Your NOT a dog behaviorist. Cesar has worked with millions of dogs, and has turned them around. You dont have a right to say those things about him. His lessons have helped me with so called " bully breeds". He must know something, or else he would be in jail and not quite as famous if he goes around " killing dogs" as you say.
I didn't say he goes around killing dogs. You misquoted me. I said there are two dogs that have died because of his methods.
And actually, I have a business in dog behaviour and training, and I DO have a qualification, so I feel that puts me in a position to speak with experience about other trainers and their questionable methods. My business is called `Citizen Canine' and I registered it last year. I am in the process of building my clientele and setting up my website. If I wasn't pregnant I would also be in the process of getting my SECOND qualification, which I will now be starting next year instead of this year.
And I do have back-up to all of the things I was saying - I don't just make stuff up out of thin air - so there is no need for you to get so personal and aggressive with me. Here is an example. Animal behavior expert Patricia McConnell writes (regarding the ludicrous alpha roll) in her book The Other End of The Leash
"Well-socialized, healthy dogs don't pin other dogs to the ground. . . . Within their social framework, you're acting like a lunatic." She is a very well-known behaviourist who has published several books and worked with many, many dogs.
Another very well respected behaviourst, Jean Donaldson (the San Francisco SPCA Director of The Academy for Dog Trainers), said of Cesar Millan "Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and the use of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards. A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back. I have long been deeply troubled by the popularity of Mr. Millan as so many will emulate him. To co-opt a word like `whispering' for arcane, violent and technically unsound practice is unconscionable."
Some more `back-up' for you:
On September 6, 2006, the American Humane Association issued a press release condemning Millan's tactics as "inhumane, outdated, and improper" and called on the National Geographic Channel to cease airing the program immediately.
In October 2006, the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants wrote a letter to the National Geographic Channel regarding concerns "that the program may lead children to engage in unsafe behaviors." The Association called for a change in the program's rating of TV-G.
January 2008, DogTime.com interviewed professional trainers associated with the APDT, Association of Pet Dog Trainers, and although these trainers pointed out that Cesar's TV show works with dogs needing rehabilitation that his methods may not be long term solutions. Trish King, Director of the Animal Behavior and Training Department at the Marin Humane Society observes: "In some of his shows, Cesar tells the owner how 'calm and submissive' a dog is, when to me, the dog looks shut down and fearful."
I am entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours. You may feel that I am not a dog behaviourist - I feel that Cesar is not one. Certainly I am young in my field and have many more years before I have worked with as many dogs as Cesar - which, I'm sorry, I don't think is `millions'. I don't think that's actually physically possible?
Many experienced and reputable dog trainers and behaviourists do not agree with his methods, whether you find that palatable or not. I am one of them, and I have cited several examples to `back me up' as you suggested I should. You do not have to agree with me.
Cesar Millan has been sued, his television show has been banned, and there is a great deal of discussion about him in the dog world - because of his approach. He has some methods that work - of course he does, otherwise he wouldn't be as successful as he is. But that does not make him a good behaviourist or trainer, and it does not mean he has a good understanding of dogs. Many methods in training are used across the board - and he uses some of them, too, so he gets some success.
It is my opinion that he has limited understanding of dog psychology and behaviour - and it is not just my opinion. You are welcome to disagree with me. You are not welcome to attack me personally. If you feel the need to do so again you may do it in a personal message.