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but an "idiot?"

I thought it was only the United States where we are unable to disagree with someone without calling him a denigrating name. Apparently the disease has spread north of the border.

I've never found any politician I agree with much more than 50% of the time, but my mother and my elementary school teachers taught me not to call people names.

He's clearly not an idiot. He may well have policies that anyone might disagree with, but that's why we hold elections and horse races--a difference of opinion. I've never seen a party yet that had a pipeline to truth and wisdom, and our democracies are healthiest when the party in power is voted out on a regular basis.

Having been an officer in a national hot rod club, I can appreciate that one's best-intentioned decisions are almost always going to rub someone the wrong way.

Perfectly well-educated, well-intentioned, well-informed people can hold opposite views on many different subjects. That doesn't make them stupid, or evil, or even necessarily wrong.

As I mentioned some weeks ago, I recently gave up on a forum that I had helped nurse from the very beginning. The owner of the web site just could not mention anyone he disagreed with, from a school board member to the highest politicians, without applying an insulting nickname, usually connected to profane, obscene, or scatological modifiers. He's young; maybe he'll grow out of it before it causes him big trouble, but I grew extremely weary of it.

Ah, for the days of the Churchillian insult!
post #2 of 15
Very thought provoking thread and post. I have called names to certain politicians myself but must admit I will think twice before doing so again
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
but an "idiot?"

I thought it was only the United States where we are unable to disagree with someone without calling him a denigrating name. Apparently the disease has spread north of the border.

I've never found any politician I agree with much more than 50% of the time, but my mother and my elementary school teachers taught me not to call people names.

He's clearly not an idiot. He may well have policies that anyone might disagree with, but that's why we hold elections and horse races--a difference of opinion. I've never seen a party yet that had a pipeline to truth and wisdom, and our democracies are healthiest when the party in power is voted out on a regular basis.

Having been an officer in a national hot rod club, I can appreciate that one's best-intentioned decisions are almost always going to rub someone the wrong way.

Perfectly well-educated, well-intentioned, well-informed people can hold opposite views on many different subjects. That doesn't make them stupid, or evil, or even necessarily wrong.

As I mentioned some weeks ago, I recently gave up on a forum that I had helped nurse from the very beginning. The owner of the web site just could not mention anyone he disagreed with, from a school board member to the highest politicians, without applying an insulting nickname, usually connected to profane, obscene, or scatological modifiers. He's young; maybe he'll grow out of it before it causes him big trouble, but I grew extremely weary of it.

Ah, for the days of the Churchillian insult!
What a great post. Good for you.

And yeah - good old Churchill. There are so many ways to insult someone with sophistication - he had it down to a fine art! Does this one apply?

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"

post #4 of 15
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Churchill and Lady Aster:

"Sir, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea!"

"Madame, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"

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"Sir, you are drunk!"

"And Madame, you are ugly. But in the morning, I shall be sober, and you shall still be ugly!"
post #5 of 15
This is IMO forum - and in my opinion he's an idiot. I don't think I can be any more clear than that.
post #6 of 15
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This is IMO forum - and in my opinion he's an idiot. I don't think I can be any more clear than that.
And you're far from the only one, Linda. This is not mere name calling.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I thought it was only the United States where we are unable to disagree with someone without calling him a denigrating name. Apparently the disease has spread north of the border.
I don't think the United States citizens are the only people that use strong language in a debate or disagreement. And I don't think we are "diseasing" our friends to the North or South or East or West with our language. Not that I think Idiot is all that bad. I have used stronger words to describe what I feel about our current elected officials. Now those words weren't polite enough to go on this forum. But if people who know him and have to live with his actions think he is an idiot that is good enough for me.

And frankly I have don't have the oratory skills or flair for language that Winston Churchill did. Some days it is I can do to just say it as I see it and not put a witty spin on it. And really, some of his cleverer quotes were recorded for prosterity and our amusement but I bet some of his more plebian insults were not. I doubt he was on all the time.
post #8 of 15
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It just makes me sad that people can't disagree without being disagreeable or insulting anyone they disagree with.

Many (most of us, probably) forget that our "idiot" is someone else's hero. As many people as were disgusted at George W. Bush's election were disgusted by Bill Clinton's election. Bill's legal troubles and other problems were good news to many people. I just don't understand how we got here.

I know that "idiots" don't get elected President or Prime Minister. They all have flaws, some of them are deeply flawed, but almost all but have made valuable contributions to our countries histories.

Of course, I know we have a long history of fairly virulent political disagreements. There are reasons why senators, for example, are not allowed to denigrate another senator from the senate floor; one reason is that at one time, it prompted fights, one of which eventually led to the death of a senator.

I DO know (since I frequently listen to "As It Happens") that there are significant numbers of Canadians who view the current Prime Minister as a breath of fresh air after the previous administration. I also know that when the next Prime Minister is elected, many Canadians will feel the same about him/her, just as the next President will be welcomed here by about 50% of the population.

Fortunately, history also has a way of making the contemporary pejoratives insignificant. Just as an example, Harry Truman was just as bad a speaker as Bush, and his approval numbers were as low in 1952 as Bush's are now, and for the same reasons. He was regarded as far too stupid to be President. And look how he's regarded now.
post #9 of 15
Great post Mrblanche. You are so right.
post #10 of 15
I have never had a problem with people speaking their own minds and to each his own I say. What may be an insult to one person may be the truth to another. Quite frankly I do call some individuals idiots and it is not meant as an insult but as a statement of fact as I see it. It is all a matter of opinion and temperament. And while a formal setting such as the senate floor there should be more restrictions for language and behavior in casual environments I think a more relaxed code can be followed. And for me politicians should expect people to voice their opinions. I think Winston Churchill would have agreed having said, “I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents.†I am, however, at a little bit of a loss as to the difference between the word idiot and a Churchill insult. Maybe the issue is the use of the plebian word, idiot, as opposed to the more erudite musings of Winston Churchill. Churchill did not say idiot. No, his quote was, “An empty taxi arrived at 10 Downing Street, and when the door was opened, Atlee got out.†But to me they both mean the same thing one is just dressed up in a prettier and wittier package. And I employ both methods depending on the timing and environment.

Tricia
post #11 of 15
You're right I suppose re Churchill. One is just name calling, the other one is a well-thought out insult with intelligence behind it! Anybody can call anyone else a name.

A lot of stand-up comedy is satire and having a go at other people. You wouldn't laugh if someone just got up and said `Such-and-such is an idiot'. But you might well laugh if it was couched in a more sophisticated and intelligent manner. To each their own.

At the end of the day the intent is still the same!
post #12 of 15
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You're right I suppose re Churchill. One is just name calling, the other one is a well-thought out insult with intelligence behind it! Anybody can call anyone else a name.

A lot of stand-up comedy is satire and having a go at other people. You wouldn't laugh if someone just got up and said `Such-and-such is an idiot'. But you might well laugh if it was couched in a more sophisticated and intelligent manner. To each their own.

At the end of the day the intent is still the same!
On this note, MrBlanche will just have to put my comment down to less sophistication and intelligence than Mr. Churchill. My lack of those admiral qualities unfortunately don't change my feelings about Mr. Harper as you say re intent.
post #13 of 15
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Well, it's interesting to note that no matter how intelliegent he was, he was voted out of office while the war was still going, so he wasn't all that beloved at the time!

His all time best quote: "If you are not a Liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative at 40, you have no head."

Trouble is, he may not have said it. The quote is disputed.
post #14 of 15
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On this note, MrBlanche will just have to put my comment down to less sophistication and intelligence than Mr. Churchill. My lack of those admiral qualities unfortunately don't change my feelings about Mr. Harper as you say re intent.
I'm certain you don't lack those admirable qualities at all! Perhaps you just chose to be more succinct in your evaluation of the Canadian Prime Minister. After all - there is nothing wrong with simply calling a spade a spade
post #15 of 15
Hey Sarah, I love your medal. ha ha ha ha, love it Sorry, off topic
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