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"Art" exhibit showing bludgeoning of animals

post #1 of 26
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This is disgusting. I doubt anyone will disagree with me and say it IS art, but I wasn't sure where else to put it.

The San Francisco Institute of Art is showing an exhibit showing the bludgeoning to death of 6 different animals with a sledgehammer.

There's a news video here - http://video.nbc11.com/player/?id=233320

And a story here - http://ga0.org/indefenseofanimals/no...er_id=13088814

Even if I wasn't as much of an animal lover as I am, there's no way I could comprehend how ANYONE could watch the killing of an animal and say it's art??? HOW exactly is it art??? It's the torture of a defenseless animal.

It's been temporarily suspended, and I hope they pull it - I am so disgusted that even decided to show it in the first place.
post #2 of 26
Oh my. I have no words. None. Astonishing. How could the gallery have ever agreed in the first place to show this? Were the animals killed specifically for this `art'? Or were they going to be anyway. And... a SLEDGE HAMMER???? If that happened to animals and the perpertrators were caught they would be charged.

I am stunned, sickened and appalled. That gallery should be charged with aiding and abetting and should be boycotted by all - and that `artist' should be arrested.
post #3 of 26
Reminds me of an appalling case here in the late 80's / early 90's. An artists got himself a cat from a shelter and made a video installation of himself killing the cat with an axe and masturbating on the dead corpse. He was charged with animal cruelty and has done only "normal" art before and after the incident. Public rage was inflamed again some years ago, when our national museum of modern art acquired the installation to it's collections. The work is not exhibited but conserved for art historians and such.

The artist actually wanted to bring attention to mankinds quest to destroy nature for our own enjoyment, but I do think that was way over the top. Poor kitty.
post #4 of 26
Its like that guy in whatever country it was who tied up the stray dog next to a mural of dog food and let it starve to death and called that "art". Sick people.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Oh my. I have no words. None. Astonishing. How could the gallery have ever agreed in the first place to show this? Were the animals killed specifically for this `art'? Or were they going to be anyway. And... a SLEDGE HAMMER???? If that happened to animals and the perpertrators were caught they would be charged.

I am stunned, sickened and appalled. That gallery should be charged with aiding and abetting and should be boycotted by all - and that `artist' should be arrested.
It showed the animals falling after being hit by the sledgehammer - they killed them just for this The artist is French, I have no idea where the animals were killed, and whether its illegal there. Certainly displaying animal cruelty should be just as illegal?
post #6 of 26
Don't you get the impression that "artists" can pretty much do anything and some art gallery, somewhere, will accept that it is, indeed, art? And will try to convince the general public of this?

Case in point: The Walter & McBean website describes this exhibit as follows:

"Each killing occurs so quickly that it’s difficult to determine definitively what has happened. Do these incidents represent slaughter or sacrifice? What are their social, cultural, moral, and political implications? Or are such questions now verging on irrelevance, as if something else altogether were taking place (or about to), something wholly other, unforeseen, unexpected?"

Give me a break.

It's not difficult for me --- or anyone whose IQ is over, I don't know, 40 --- to "determine definitively what has happened". Some jackass filmed innocent animals being bludgeoned to death and is trying to pass it off as "art". Period.

So now this "artist" gets his so-called 15 minutes of fame, which I'm sure he was aware of (at least subconsciously) when creating the "work". I mean, how many people ever heard of this guy before learning of this exhibit? Now he'll be all over the news and his ego will be fed accordingly. Like anything else in the entertainment industry, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

I'm certainly not calling for censorship. I just don't think that stuff like this should be supported or endorsed.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ryn View Post
Reminds me of an appalling case here in the late 80's / early 90's. An artists got himself a cat from a shelter and made a video installation of himself killing the cat with an axe and masturbating on the dead corpse.
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The artist actually wanted to bring attention to mankinds quest to destroy nature for our own enjoyment, but I do think that was way over the top.
Again, I just love all the half-baked justifications that these types of artists --- and their supporters --- routinely come up with in a pathetic attempt to rationalize their work and bring some sort of legitimacy to it.

Look --- if I were shown a video of a man hacking a cat to death and then wanking afterwards, I wouldn't say "Oh, I get it! The artist is using these actions and this imagery to say that mankind destroys nature unnecessarily." I would, however, say "This guy is a talentless piece of who uses cheap shock tactics to get attention." And I'm not a "majority rules" person, but I'm confident that 99.9999999% of the world's population would agree with me.
post #8 of 26
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Again, I just love all the half-baked justifications that these types of artists --- and their supporters --- routinely come up with in a pathetic attempt to rationalize their work and bring some sort of legitimacy to it.

Look --- if I were shown a video of a man hacking a cat to death and then wanking afterwards, I wouldn't say "Oh, I get it! The artist is using these actions and this imagery to say that mankind destroys nature unnecessarily." I would, however, say "This guy is a talentless piece of who uses cheap shock tactics to get attention." And I'm not a "majority rules" person, but I'm confident that 99.9999999% of the world's population would agree with me.
I agree, although IMO talented people can succumub to the lure of shock tactics too. I'm all for artistic freedom, but harming people or animals is completely out of boundaries. I trust my previous message wasn't unclear about that.
post #9 of 26
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I'm all for artistic freedom, but harming people or animals is completely out of boundaries. I trust my previous message wasn't unclear about that.
No, it was perfectly clear. And your statement about how harming people or animals in the name of art crosses the line bears repeating. I wish I had thought to actually type it out instead of merely thinking it.
post #10 of 26
That isn't art, it is a criminal offense.

So typical that the whacko's in San Francisco would be the one's to put something like that up. Killing animals for "art's sake" is fine and dandy with them but let the military want to have a retired Carrier there and oh no we can't have the dirty rotten military in our wonderful city. Yeah right
Pathetic
post #11 of 26
A horse

I don't in any way see this as art. Those people should be in jail.

I seriously want to throw up.
post #12 of 26
There's a lot of art that I just plain don't "get". I don't get Maplethorpe's infamous broomstick photo. I don't get how urine in a jar is art, nor do I get how smearing elephant dung on canvas is art or making a statement. I don't see how it's actually art. But I guess if someone is willing to pay money for what most of us flush or throw out, hey, more power to the "artist" for finding a way to part fools from their money.

But this....this I get. Not as art. It's not art. It's a pathetic, psychopathic sadist who wants a way to justify their narcissistic personality disorder and violent fantasies. I mean, why stop at animals? Why not get a baby that someone doesn't want and destroy it the same way? After all, it's just another "animal". Just wait until next year's show...
post #13 of 26
I work for a company that has a huge modern art collection. It's a wonderful part of our environment because we are able to decompress and look at some fantastic items. However, some I don't get. For example: A Jar of Rocks. (It's a jar of rocks... that's it) Lawn Clippings in a Clear Plastic Suite Case (just like "jar of rocks"), Dirty Shoes in a Big Pile (you've caught on to my theme!), and my all time new favorite Looped Tape Inside a Big Clear Case.

What this man has done isn't art, in fact, it can't even be put on the same level as lets say.... Jar of Rocks. He's doing it to get a reaction much like a five year old having a temper tantrum. If he had issues with animal and animal well fare he would have done something different.
post #14 of 26
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I mean, why stop at animals? Why not get a baby that someone doesn't want and destroy it the same way? After all, it's just another "animal".
Because animals are much easier targets, that's why. They have no voice. That's the reason why so many organizations have to fight so hard to stop animal abuse. Because way too many people either just don't care about animals or, worse yet, want to see animals suffer. If they can be the ones to torture animals, hey, even better.

Yesterday I had posted an idiotic description of the installation courtesy of the art gallery itself. Well, here's a quote (via this link) from another organization --- the San Francisco Art Institute --- also apparently staffed by some brain-dead individuals:

The images are “of events that took place — and regularly take place — in the real world, on a regular basis.â€

SO WHAT?? That's your justification? That makes it acceptable?

Please.

As my wife (who sent me the link) pointed out: If this was a video of real-life instances of women being raped, children molested, or of humans being murdered, there's no way they would allow it in their museum - even though these events "regularly take place." There is no way that would be considered "art."
post #15 of 26
Consider the source, San Francisco.

It is so depressing to see how many people just do not care about animal's being tortured and the fact that people can actually find enjoyment out of seeing things like this is heartbreaking.

You should have emailed back, "So does child molestation, why not make that the next art exhibit"
post #16 of 26
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So typical that the whacko's in San Francisco would be the one's to put something like that up.
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Consider the source, San Francisco.
Why are you blaming the city itself?!?! San Francisco is a city of animal lovers, which is maybe WHY they decided to make such a controversial move.

I mean, gees, you live in Las Vegas - you're not exactly living in the moral centre of the universe!!
post #17 of 26
I find that some of the posts in this thread are a bit too "testy". Please keep personal comments to a minimum; if you feel that you just "have" to address another member personally, send a PM, please!
post #18 of 26
If this person wanted to make some kind of statement about man's treatment of animals and it's meaning for society, there is plenty of footage available from slaughterhouses, factory farms, or the clubbing of baby harbor seals. He could've made the same statement, the same shock value, without killing animals to make this film.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I am stunned, sickened and appalled. That gallery should be charged with aiding and abetting and should be boycotted by all - and that `artist' should be arrested.

And the "artist" named his work "Don't Trust Me" I'd like to show him why not to trust me
post #20 of 26
You have to wonder about people that could even look at this kind of stuff.

I can't even watch ANimal Cops hardly anymore, it is to upsetting and they usually get the bad guy.
post #21 of 26
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He's doing it to get a reaction much like a five year old having a temper tantrum.
The difference is if a 5-year old painted something like this they'd have him in front of psychiatrist wondering what was wrong with him!

This just burns my butt!
post #22 of 26
Humans never cease to amaze me. 3 or 4 years ago I heard about a film that was up for awards (I think it was in Canada, but can't say for sure), where the film maker tortured a cat, pinned it to a wall, cut him open and disemboweled him while he was still alive. And that was considered art.

This just makes me sick. And, I'm sorry, I'm all for free speech and everything, but this person is SICK! Free speech gives people the right to state their opinion without physical harm. This isn't speech, this is animal abuse pure and simple. This "artist" should have to face criminal charges.
post #23 of 26
So, basically, anything you feel like doing, if you say it is Art, it is A-Okay.
I get it now. More and more this country is becoming decadent just like the Roman Empire before it fell.
post #24 of 26
There was also a guy that did an 'art' exhibit which was a blender with water in and then a live goldfish swimming around in there.

The blender was hooked up to electricity and the whole point of it was to see if the visitors would press the button and kill the goldfish, i.e testing their sense of right and wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/3040891.stm

The whole concept of this sort of stuff just sickens me.
post #25 of 26
I foresee criminal defense attornies using this as the new defense.


But, but, but Your Honor it is Art
post #26 of 26
Hey I got an idea. Lets go beat that SICK with a sledgehammer. See how he likes it. Of course then we would be no better than he is. I think all the sick, sadistic people of this world should be put into a small area and be left to torture each other. I'm starting to think that all these psychos are trying to compete with each other. See who can to the most horrible, evil thing. Man this world is so sick and pathetic.
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