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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
So for anyone who lives in Michigan or Florida, can you explain to me why you guys are getting to vote again for the Democratic race? I guess I'm just a little confused. I heard on CNN that Florida is trying to do mail in votes for the "less fortunate" - this could be a HUGE change in the vote. Why do these states get a re-vote? Did something get miscounted? And if that's the case, why does Florida ALWAYS seem to have issues voting?
post #2 of 17
Both states wanted to vote early in the primary season. The DNC told them that if they did it their delegates wouldn't count at the convention. They went ahead and did it anyway now since the race is close they want their delegates to count. None of the Democrats campaigned in either state and Hillary was the only name on the ballot in Michigan. They are trying to say that it was a Republican governor and legislature in Florida that did it but the truth is a Democrat wrote the bill and it received overwhelming bipartisan support in the legislature in Florida. The Republicans penalized them by only counting half their delegates. Just another childish thing going on in this election.
post #3 of 17
They decided to hold their primaries earlier than they were supposed to. The National Parties warned them that their delegates wouldn't count, and they did it anyway, and as a result lost their delegates.

Now, they want their votes to count, because they didn't before. Neither candidate campaigned much in the states, Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan.

(ps. Jinx! I owe you a coke!)
post #4 of 17
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That all seems kind of weird to me... Why bother voting early if the delgates don't count? What was the point?

This whole election has seemed to have more drama than usual. Maybe I just don't remember how bad it was last time... but I really feel like it's worse. I'm trying to stay as informed as possible without getting overly upset about different factors of it all.
post #5 of 17
No their votes shouldn't count! They broke the rules, and they knew it. Spending money on a do-over is a waste of resources.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Beck4582 View Post
That all seems kind of weird to me... Why bother voting early if the delgates don't count? What was the point?

This whole election has seemed to have more drama than usual. Maybe I just don't remember how bad it was last time... but I really feel like it's worse. I'm trying to stay as informed as possible without getting overly upset about different factors of it all.
The point was a vie for political power. States that hold primaries earlier have more political power. Nobody would care what Iowans thought about anything in the election if they weren't first, because there just aren't that many people there. Progressively, the primaries usually matter less and less, and by the time Michigan and Florida are supposed to go, the winner is usually decided. This season is very strange, usually it's just like the republican one is.

The states probably figured that they could move it up this time, and it could not count but it wouldn't matter anyway, but that next time they could keep their new date. In short, they're trying to cut in line. BUT, that's the state party's decision, and it was a terrible one, but the people who voted are all being disenfranchised and really something does need to be done. They didn't vote knowing that their votes wouldn't count.

Anyway, I don't know I'd say it's "worse". More exciting!
post #7 of 17
I live in Florida. My Mom has always told me it's a wierd state. I don't think it's right either. If we are allowed to vote again our vote will count (but it's not fair), and we will be spending money that we need for so many other things.
post #8 of 17
I think they should just re instate the delegates and let that be that. They should NOT have to revote. Why punish one candidate because the other was dumb enough to keep their name off the ballot? It's not the state's fault that happened. Just let the results stand!
post #9 of 17
They really have to let the punishment for jumping ahead stand. Otherwise states will be having their primaries whenever and keep going earlier and earlier to be first. The primary season is long enough already. The states were told what would happen if they went early, they just didn't believe it would really be enforced. Actually Hillary was the odd one out. At that time there were still a lot of Democratic candidates, she was the one who left her name on the ballot.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
They didn't vote knowing that their votes wouldn't count.
Then they have been the only ones in the country that didn't know their votes weren't going to count. I heard about it in January and thought that both states were stupid.

Be that as it may, no do-overs. The rules were set up by the parties (for the reason above), agreed upon and then two states decided to go their own way. If they allow the rogue states do-overs, then what happens during the next election? How many states will decide to vote earlier? This also means that the candidates could/would be spread thinner trying to cover more states ina shorter time - less attention, less opportunity to see your candidate functioning over the long haul.

These voters will get to vote in the Presidential election, so they are not totally disinfranchised.
post #11 of 17
At this point, the race is still tight even if those votes count. It will still come down to the Super Delegates regardless. And they both can make the "magic number" of delegates with the SD and without FL and MI. So really, having do-overs wouldn't make a lick of difference anyway.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
At this point, the race is still tight even if those votes count. It will still come down to the Super Delegates regardless. And they both can make the "magic number" of delegates with the SD and without FL and MI. So really, having do-overs wouldn't make a lick of difference anyway.
Except to the voters of those states!

I think this whole thingis ridiculous, but they should be allowed a "re-vote" if the parties won't accept the primary results. It's not fair to the citizens of Florida and Michigan if they don't. The citizens did not choose to hold their primary early, the lawmakers did (at least in Florida, I don't know about Michigan). It's not like they can choose to vote somewhere else. How can you fairly pick a candidate to run for president and ignore the decision of the citizens of two whole states?

It's very frustrating wanting to vote and not be able to. My absentee ballot took an entire month to reach me from a city that is about 2 hours away, and I was extremely angry and upset that I wasn't able to vote, and my voice not heard.

My dad lives in Florida, and I don't want that to happen to him as well.

It sucks when you do the responsible and right things only to have a government/federal agency screw it up for you.

Tricia
post #13 of 17
they can do it over.
Just so the tax payers of that state do not have to pay for the DNC screw up.
post #14 of 17
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They didn't vote knowing that their votes wouldn't count.
They did know their votes would not count, and that is why some people didn't bother. I think they should keep the votes they have, and allow those that didn't bother to mail in a ballot, but it doesn't seem right that those that already took the time to vote have to be bothered again.

The way I understood it, without these votes, neither would reach the number even with the super delegates.

I don't like this delegate system anyway, what is wrong with one vote per person, gets counted, and whoever has the most wins? Why not that way?
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
No their votes shouldn't count! They broke the rules, and they knew it. Spending money on a do-over is a waste of resources.
I agree with you. The Democrat party in those two states made the decision to go forward, knowing that the votes wouldn't count. It should be too late now, to go ahead and have a second primary - that is just wrong. But, this is prooving to be a very strange race, so who knows how things will end up.
post #16 of 17
Michigan and Florida knew very well that their votes wouldn't count if they moved their primary to January. They did it anyway. Their fault, not the DNC's. The republicans also punished those states by taking away half the delegates. I'm sorry, but rules are rules and they knew them before stupidly moving their primary ahead. They can't claim the the votes already done, cuz in MI Hillary was the only one on the ballot (SHE was the odd one out by keeping her name on the ballot when the DNC told them not to). I wouldn't have bothered voting if I knew it wouldn't have counted. I'm sure others feel the same....You know what will hit the fan if the DO count the votes that already took place. If they let them do a re-do then it will sending the message that any state can move up to whatever date they want without penalty. I don't think they want the primaries over with in January....
post #17 of 17
And who voted those "lawmakers" in? No do-overs and vote the morons out of office that caused all of this.




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Except to the voters of those states!

I think this whole thingis ridiculous, but they should be allowed a "re-vote" if the parties won't accept the primary results. It's not fair to the citizens of Florida and Michigan if they don't. The citizens did not choose to hold their primary early, the lawmakers did (at least in Florida, I don't know about Michigan). It's not like they can choose to vote somewhere else. How can you fairly pick a candidate to run for president and ignore the decision of the citizens of two whole states?

It's very frustrating wanting to vote and not be able to. My absentee ballot took an entire month to reach me from a city that is about 2 hours away, and I was extremely angry and upset that I wasn't able to vote, and my voice not heard.

My dad lives in Florida, and I don't want that to happen to him as well.

It sucks when you do the responsible and right things only to have a government/federal agency screw it up for you.

Tricia
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