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post #91 of 118
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
I'm lost for words that someone who is an animal lover can say something like that

This isn't even a private conversation
This is just a method of population control. We kill deers in this country when they overpopulate an area, Australians shot cats because they are a threat to the native species down there, this is just how it works. I don't see the Americans or Australians get panned for what they did to those poor animals. This article cited by the OP and many posters here were simply biased against the Chinese. Now don't get me wrong, a person hurting the cats unnecessarily in the process speaks to his twisted state of mind, but the fact that such persons invariably exist should not taint the effort of the Chinese to keep their city clean and free of pests. We round up and kill cats in this country too. Now, some cat lovers prefer a no-kill, CNR approach, but that isn't always the best way to do around the round. One must allow for adjustment of the method to suit the local situation.
post #92 of 118
Can i ask Yiplong, are you of oriental origin?.
post #93 of 118
The way helpless animals are treated within a culture, can be viewed as a barometer that indicates the maturity and emotional health of a people.

TCS's members represent many different countries and cultures but one thing that we have in common is a profound love and respect for cats. Cats cannot speak for themselves. Members here, in many ways, are attempting to be their voice.

No country is perfect. In the US, where I live, it is an ongoing challenge to re-define human and animal rights, then implement positive changes. The reality is that change must come from the bottom up....
it's people, not it's government.

According to you, in China, there are large pockets of great poverty....
why then, doesn't an educated person like yourself stand up and help change things for the better, rather than defending the status quo and a government that does not represent the best interests of it's people?

Because of the upcoming Olympics, a spotlight is shining on China...
I hope that you choose to join the many Chinese people who are struggling to make a positive change for her people and animals.
post #94 of 118
I suppose the welfare of the birds is important but the treatment of cats is not?

Cats are euthanized in the US every day. However, they are humanely trapped, and humanely put to sleep with an injection. They are not crammed in cages so tight they can't move and tossed from trucks. They are not skinned for their fur. They are not eaten!

No, China is not the only country that mistreats animals, but they sure seem to keep cropping up as Number 1 on the list.

and please, tell me HOW feral cats are a threat to HUMAN Health???

How anyone can defend the Chinese government, and the Chinese people participating in this cruel slaughter is just beyond me. It sickens me that someone like that could be a member of this site.
post #95 of 118
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Originally Posted by yiplong View Post
Yes they are a nuisance and pests. Feral cats are devastating to the local environment, they decimate bird populations and threaten public health. It is okay if we have 1-2 of these excellent predators per square mile, but in urban areas, there are hundreds of cats per square mile. While the what exactly is the best method to control this problem is debatable, I don't think China has any choice.



I am afraid China doesn't have a lot of resource to spend on cats, and they certainly can't afford to set up nice little "humane traps" with tasty tuna baits to lure the cats in. The country still needs to improve education and provide better health care to hundreds of millions of impoverished farmers, which they are trying to do. Forget the cats, and let China takes care of its people first.
I am not a person who lives in cat la-la land, but a realist so I do understand the problem of overpopulation. The problem that I have with the way the Chinese are handling the cat overpopulation is their methods.

Their 'One Child' rule to control the human population is achieved by birth control and abortion. While controversial, I think the world would react much differently (and rightly so) if the Chinese controlled the human population by rounding up children, cramming them into cages, throwing those cages off trucks, poking the terrified children with sticks, beating them to death, skinning them alive while they screamed in pain and terror, etc. Even tho the end result may be the same....preventing human over-population....that method would would be considered monstrous, cruel and horrible.

Most animal lovers understand that often times animals must be sterilized, euthenized and their populations must be controlled. But it must be done HUMANELY. That is the issue.

And many also believe that cruelty to animals is closely related to cruelty to human beings. Even Ghandhi said that "A country can be judged based on how they treat their animals". A wise man indeed.
post #96 of 118
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Originally Posted by Rotobay View Post
I am not a person who lives in cat la-la land, but a realist so I do understand the problem of overpopulation. The problem that I have with the way the Chinese are handling the cat overpopulation is their methods.

Their 'One Child' rule to control the human population is achieved by birth control and abortion. While controversial, I think the world would react much differently (and rightly so) if the Chinese controlled the human population by rounding up children, cramming them into cages, throwing those cages off trucks, poking the terrified children with sticks, beating them to death, skinning them alive while they screamed in pain and terror, etc. Even tho the end result may be the same....preventing human over-population....that method would would be considered monstrous, cruel and horrible.

Most animal lovers understand that often times animals must be sterilized, euthenized and their populations must be controlled. But it must be done HUMANELY. That is the issue.

And many also believe that cruelty to animals is closely related to cruelty to human beings. Even Ghandhi said that "A country can be judged based on how they treat their animals". A wise man indeed.


Very well said. Thank you!
post #97 of 118
Perfectly said Rotobay!
post #98 of 118
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Originally Posted by Rotobay View Post
And many also believe that cruelty to animals is closely related to cruelty to human beings. Even Ghandhi said that "A country can be judged based on how they treat their animals". A wise man indeed.
This deserves to be repeated.
post #99 of 118
wow i am stunned at the twist this thread has taken. bottom line is as another poster so rightly pointed out there are 100's and 100's of cats suffering and dying just in the short time i have taken to type this.

i will be boycotting all sponsors involved and educating friends and family to this atrocity. emails will be sent tonight also.

rotobay, your words come from the hearts of nearly everyone on this site. we believe all creatures should be treated with respect and dignity, whatever their purpose is. be it farm animal or crufts supreme champion, all animals feel pain and despair. i pray that we and many others can and will make a difference to those poor creatures.
post #100 of 118
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Originally Posted by yiplong View Post
Also keep in mind that while the cat in your household is a lovely pet, these being rounded up and killed are a nuisance and pests. The Chinese authority is not grabbing cats out of the arms of their owners and killing them.
No they're merely using scare tactics to make the Chinese people believe their pets, as well as cats in general, are a massive threat to their health! Think of those kindergarten children who witnessed the six cats being beaten to death - a fear of cats as being something deadly has surely been engrained into their minds now.

This makes me absolutely ill. After the dogs and cats being skinned alive for fur I didn't think it could get much worse but this is on par with that. China has got to be the worst offender when it comes to animal cruelty, oh what I would like to do to the people who carry out these heinous acts!

On a slightly more sensible note, my university only sells Coke products on campus so I will be printing up fliers educating people on this and urging them to boycott Coke products. We are one of the largest universities in the country, surely we could have a large and noticible impact!
post #101 of 118
I will certainly not watch the Olympics.
I could not read any of the articles. I can't have the images burned in my memory.
Once I saw an image of a baby girl laying in the gutter dead in China. She had been left there to die because of the one child rule. People just passed the body by. I was so disturbed and the image is burned in my mind.
It is all about dignity and grace. Animals should be given dignity in death as they should in life.
I can't believe that they can't find a solution better than this.
I will boycott corporate products. As it is I avoid made in China products, I buy my food from local farmers and producers and I never shop at Walmart.
My heart is heavy for those poor cat souls unfortunate enough to be born in China.
post #102 of 118
The image of a poor China, who has to reduce the population of feral cats however it can is just a lie. China is incredibly wealthy, perhaps not the average family, but the government, who would finance decent shelters etc is fantastically rich! They've had to buy american money and bank shares to appear less wealthy than they are!
Which is why no political figure speaks out against China on any issue, be it feral cats or Tibetans. Heck, China was barely condemned for Tiananmen square!
I swear we've been to war with other countries for lesser human rights abuses than those china has committed. The world supports Kosovo, but not Tibet.

This went on a bit of a tangent but my point was that if we can't even expect China to treat human beings with decency, what hope is their for those poor suffering cats?

It makes me ashamed to be part Chinese.
post #103 of 118
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Originally Posted by cata_mint View Post
This went on a bit of a tangent but my point was that if we can't even expect China to treat human beings with decency, what hope is their for those poor suffering cats?
I have been confused about what I hear on the news about the fact that we owe a huge financial debt to China.
The US politicians and their corporate media don't clarify how this is possible for such a poor country.
Thank you for sharing your insight about this issue.
post #104 of 118
I dont like this one bit for many reasons, like for one I dont like them killing innocent cats and spreading rumors about how they are a threat by being diseased. But besides signing a petition and spreading awareness about this, unless you actually live in China and refuse to participate in this, there is little we can do here. And only if you are a participant in the Olympics can you protest and be heard and refuse to participate, though you can kiss your dream goodbye of being in it again probably after.

I wont and some of my family wont buy fur because we've seen where it comes from, but we dont NEED to wear fur anyway, cotton is fine for me!

But honestly, telling them this is wrong is like India telling the U.S. and other counties to stop killing and eating cows because it's wrong (because to them cows are sacred). It's like crossing a boundry not meant to be crossed,they'll never listen it's there country not ours.

Then comes the "silly" things i've read over this.

Not eating at a Chinese food place is just ridiculous even for cat lovers! Like for example, the Chinese people who live here in the U.S. really have nothing to do with what is happening in China, not eating at there restaraunts here just shows you have a thing against Chinese people then, which is racism and just as wrong. There not serving cat stew as a dish am I right, so what did they do wrong?

And not watching the Olympics will have no effect either, thats just silly talk. You can refuse to watch it, but that will only be like your own protest. You can refuse to buy Olympic merchandise though.

Not buying items made in China is ok as a "protest" I guess since then you wont support people living in China, but how long will it be before you or a family member buys something made in China, there are thousands of items from China delivered here.

And you must remember, not everyone in China is killing these cats, if they are it's probably because they fear for there own lives if they are caught helping cats, you know how China is very strict! Not everyone is bad there, im sure many people there even hate this, but there's only so much they can do without putting there own lives or family lives in danger.

Thats all I have to say.
post #105 of 118
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Originally Posted by keith p View Post
Then comes the "silly" things i've read over this.

Not eating at a Chinese food place is just ridiculous even for cat lovers!.

And not watching the Olympics will have no effect either, thats just silly talk.
Silly to you it may be, and that's your right to have your own opinion just as it is for us who choose not to eat at their restaurants etc..where some of the profits will be going back to their families in China.
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Originally Posted by keith p View Post
And you must remember, not everyone in China is killing these cats.
Yes, i think were fully aware that not everyone is tarred with the same brush, so if their too scared to speak up for the animals then someone else has to try and do it for them
post #106 of 118
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Yes, i think were fully aware that not everyone is tarred with the same brush, so if their too scared to speak up for the animals then someone else has to try and do it for them
Well said Susan.
post #107 of 118
Let's not forget the so called" Dying Rooms" where baby girls were left to die ,laid out in rows in cots, due to the one child rule. Boys were favoured so girls were simply left to die by parents longing for a boy. At least nowadays they can have an abortion if their unborn child is not the "right" sex. If they're
capable of treating their own kind like this it's no surprise the way they treat animals. Bears, tigers, monkeys etc are all used for entertainment purposes only and treated so inhumanely, they have no respect for animals at all.
post #108 of 118
keithp-
Perhaps not watching the Olympics is silly to you but for me I feel as though it would be hypocritical to watch them knowing what I know. I don't protest because I think I alone am powerful enough to change the world. I protest because it does not fit my value system. Everyone who asks me if I watched will know why I did not watch. Then perhaps they tell someone else and so on. Maybe the word will get out to more and more people.

For me the fact is that they are doing this in preparation for the Olympics. They could have been implementing humane strategies 6 years ago when they knew that they would be hosting the Olympics. I don't understand at all why China should be hosting a game based on Good will between nations given their horrible history of violence and tyranny.

I was so happy when protesters snuffed out the flame not once but twice! Good. Lets me know that others are upset too. In all my 30 plus years I have never heard of the 'eternal' flame being snuffed on purpose.

I still eat at my Chinese restaurant which happens to be run by a lovely couple who left China for those very same reasons. I know all Chinese people are not inhumane or animal haters.

My pet store no longer carries items made in China. Guess what? The owner is Chinese too. He proudly displays photos of his cats and dogs on the walls. But like me he is doing his part. He is doing what he can do.

I worked very hard for my money and I will spend it in ways and places that I can feel good supporting.
post #109 of 118
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Originally Posted by CC12 View Post
Everyone who asks me if I watched will know why I did not watch. Then perhaps they tell someone else and so on. Maybe the word will get out to more and more people.
Exactly If we just sit back with the attitude that theres not many of us to fight this so what's the point?, but it's a known fact that things can happen through word and mouth.
post #110 of 118
That is horrible!!!! Not only are the people treated badly but the cats too! China is one horrible death camp for everyone and everything living there, until the government can step up and do something productive for their people, I think it will always be this way!!!!!
post #111 of 118
poor cats !!! it'is terrible.. how is it posible? for sure the chinese governement don't care a lot for the rights. all the right. the men's rights, the children's rights, the civil and human rights.So ... an other time.. why China was chosen for the Olympics Game.. why? All the peeple know very well the situation but it is not so important for them..
post #112 of 118
I noticed that Italy is your home base....
Have you lived in Beijing?
If you could give us some insight as to why it's citizens don't seem to care that their leaders appear heartless to the rest of the world, I would really appreciate it.

I think that money is the motivation...
It sure is in the USA right now.
Follow the money......
post #113 of 118
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post
Have you lived in Beijing?
If you could give us some insight as to why it's citizens don't seem to care that their leaders appear heartless to the rest of the world, I would really appreciate it.
I would love to know your thoughts as well
post #114 of 118
Hi everyone, I noticed this thread, and am similarly disgusted and angry at China's treatment of animals. I have started a new thread yesterday regarding the atrocities of bear bile farming, a horribly cruel industry which is flourishing in China. I have copied my original post into this thread as well because it is absolutely ESSENTIAL that as many concerned animal-lovers know about this horrific industry and the endless, needless suffering thousands of Moon Bears (Asiatic Black Bears) go through in China. AnimalsAsia is an organisation which has devoted itself to saving these Moon Bears from farms in China and Vietnam. They are making progress slowly but surely, but thousands of bears are still suffering in the farms. AnimalsAsia are fighting to release as many as they can by leveraging on the policitical pressure put on China due to the coming Beijing Olympics.

Sorry for hogging this thread!

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To end off, I leave you with a paragraph which I have copied from the AAF website detailing the arrival of the first 63 bears released to the AAF in December 2000.

"As they arrive on trucks in rusting cages, with ages ranging from cubs to middle and old aged, our senses reel as we look in horror at dull, miserable eyes and smell the stench of rot and decay from infected and pain wracked bodies.

But as we offer them fruit through the bars of the cage, they gently purse their lips and take them slowly from our fingers. Our emotions range from elation that they will now receive only kindness, to anger that they have been so cruelly abused for something so easily replaced with herbs. Our greatest consolation is that the authorities have closed the farms so that no more bears will ever take their place."


Many more bears are imprisoned in their metal cages, doomed to face a lifetime of sorrow and pain if we humans don't do anything to save them. Once again, I urge you to look through the website and, at least, spread the word.
post #115 of 118
Oh my goodness this just gets worse
post #116 of 118
Let's not just stop at feeling sorry for the plight of these poor majestic creatures whose life has been turned into living hell by profit/greed-driven farmers.

Humans are responsible for their needless suffering, and as an enlightened group of the species, we need to do something to ensure that as many bears as possible are rescued to enjoy the rest of their lives sniffing fresh air, basking in sunshine, playing with their own kind, relishing delicious food and fresh water and enjoying the care of these great people at Animals Asia!

Help to spread the word and educate the people around you through all that you have learnt from these websites: www.animalsasia.org and www.animalsasia.org/blog, or if you have the means, donate to them. Every cent counts!

These bears are counting on us to free them from those horrible tiny cages and disgustingly cruel barbaric PAINFUL procedures they suffer every single day.
post #117 of 118
Oh believe me, people i speak to know what this countrys doing to their animals

I've replaced the text about the bears and put the link to it instead
post #118 of 118
Thanks Rosiemac!
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