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Dogs killing the other pets - shouldn't the owners be charged???

post #1 of 24
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The video was taken by neighbors who were appalled at a pack of dogs killing and eating alive the owner's llama herd. The video is tooo graphic- but let me add that dogs do eat animals alive (and dog lovers complain about cats "toying" with their prey - at least cats KILL before actually consuming) - the young llama is in such incredible agony....and, no the cops don't come anytime soon, and when they do - GUESS WHAT!! NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED!!
I am STUPID or what???? Shouldn't the owners be responsible????
IMO, animals as well as children and any one else in the USA should have certain RIGHTS...... some of the states are soo archaic, for example, locking up CHILDREN, even shoplifters and taggers, in with ADULT prisoners (only 3 state do that, but shouldn't it be a FEDERAL RIGHT that juveniles be kept with juveniles)
Sorry, I don't know I'm going off-track about states' rights but OMG, isn't this the same as parents letting their kids torture animals Or, are animals just property
post #2 of 24
For the dogs to be that hungry to hunt the animals that right there shows they are near starving, cruelty.

I dont see why the neighbors didnt try to stop this though, instead they keep on filming. I would have thrown some food in or something or tried everything I could to get the dogs away from the llamas.

And if the llamas were ill, that would make them easy targets, llamas are usually aggressive and even those dogs would have trouble taking down full grown healthy llamas at once.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by keith p View Post
For the dogs to be that hungry to hunt the animals that right there shows they are near starving, cruelty.
That's my thoughts too...I know that dogs are natural hunters, however if they are being fed properly they're less likely to do this.

Also, how did the dogs get in where the Llamas are at? Sounds to me like the Llama farmer didn't take that into consideration.

How different is this from a pack of wolves or coyotes jumping into the pen? Now much except the owners now have a finger to point at someone and sue.
post #4 of 24
OMG! I'm sick to my stomach literally... That is horrid.

As much of an animal lover as I am, I would have shot the dogs!
Then let the owners come question me and I'd show them the video
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
That's my thoughts too...I know that dogs are natural hunters, however if they are being fed properly they're less likely to do this.

Also, how did the dogs get in where the Llamas are at? Sounds to me like the Llama farmer didn't take that into consideration.

How different is this from a pack of wolves or coyotes jumping into the pen? Now much except the owners now have a finger to point at someone and sue.
So because the llama's owner might not have secured the fence well enough, his animals should be eaten?

I think it's the dog's owner's responsibility to properly handle his/her dogs.
Obviously the llama's aren't invading the dog's territory... It's vice versa
post #6 of 24
Secured the fence? Most farmers and livestock owners use barb wire and electric fencing. Unless one has grown up in a city, everyone knows how easy it is to get through a barb wire fence - over, under, or through. Dogs would have no problem with this, especially crawling under.

I'm surprised too that no one pulled out a shotgun.

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Originally Posted by keith p View Post
For the dogs to be that hungry to hunt the animals that right there shows they are near starving, cruelty.
Dogs don't need to be hungry to kill or terrorize other animals, it is a response to being left to run in a pack. Instinct takes over.

One example, across the street and over a little ways is a fenced area where a horse is kept. There was a pony in with it years ago, at the time this happened. One day we went outside to see three dogs harassing the horse and pony - barking, chasing, biting at their legs and grabbing a hold of their tails. These were not strays, you could see collars and shiny tags, and the dogs were obviously well fed (smallest dog looked a bit overweight, in fact). A neighbor must have went for a gun because shots were fired to scare them off.
This is a dog behavior, this is what they do when left to roam. They cause trouble. Think of them as a bunch of teenagers with no parental control.
I've had to pick up the half eaten remains of a cat a few months ago because someone's pets were out running around the neighborhood.

The dogs owner(s) should be sued, livestock cost money + whatever money was put into that animal. The owner(s) should be charged for letting the animals run, this creates a dangerous situation - what if they decided a person was a better target? (this has happened, see a link I posted months ago)
post #7 of 24
I agree, some of them were obviously purebred and pets - not "wild" dogs. And the owners of these dogs should be prosecuted and made to pay for the llamas. The guy has it on video so they can't say "it was'nt my dog - he's happyily in the house"!
post #8 of 24
Maybe I misread the story, but the owner of the dogs is the owner of the llamas. His own dogs killed his own livestock.

This really sounds like pack behavior to me, more so than hunger behavior. Put a group of uncontrolled dogs together (there were 10 of them) and this is what they will do. While groups of dogs of any size will form a pack, the magic number to get to a point that you really have to understand dog behavior to control them is 5. That was the number that Jan Fennell had when she realized that she had to reorient her life to studying dog behavior (and has written books and has her own TV show). That was the number that we had when we had the same aha moment. I can't imagine the work it would take to control 10 dogs at once.

The owner didn't have a clue what his dogs were capable of and obviously didn't have any control over them. The owner is negligent, and he has paid his own price at the expense of 3 living beings. It's a crying shame, but I doubt that anyone will do anything against him until his dogs hurt something off his property.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dixie_Darlin View Post
So because the llama's owner might not have secured the fence well enough, his animals should be eaten?

I think it's the dog's owner's responsibility to properly handle his/her dogs.
Obviously the llama's aren't invading the dog's territory... It's vice versa
Just merely pointing out that if coyotes (which are a kind of K9 w/o an owner) got themselves into the Llama pen, this would have a totally different aspect. No one would've been filming and nitpicking the event and someone would have shot at the coyote(s).
post #10 of 24
Don't people buy mice and things like that to feed to their reptiles?
Cruel, yes. Illegal, no.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Don't people buy mice and things like that to feed to their reptiles?
Cruel, yes. Illegal, no.
Ignorant people still do use live mice. This is cruel, is illegal in some places (Australia), completely unnecessarily, and dangerous. The correct way to feed reptiles is to use humanely (CO2 chamber) prekilled, often thawed from frozen animals. When done like this it is more humane then the treatment our own livestock, poultry, and even seafood gets at slaughter. (Yes...I don't even like killing fish and couldn't kill anything like crab or lobster)

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Maybe I misread the story, but the owner of the dogs is the owner of the llamas. His own dogs killed his own livestock.
I misread too - That changes it some. Then he should be charged with letting his dogs run loose, endangering others (neighbors were obviously close enough to see that - they were close enough to be harmed), and for animal cruelty as this could have been prevented.

And as for letting them run loose on his own property - unless dogs are trained and controlled when around livestock, such as a working breed used for herding, they're a danger. Those of us who live in more rural communities also know this is not safe for a dog. Other dogs, coyotes (sometimes carrying mange), raccoons, skunks, porcupines, and just not knowing what your dog is up to when you're not watching is a danger to your pet. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if they were bothering neighbors animals.
post #12 of 24
The owner of these llama's and dogs is an idiot. The neighbors had said that she had witnessed the dog(s?) killing her kittens. They are proven killers at that point and need to be watched a little closer than letting them run around the neighborhood.

When I still lived on the farm, we shot dogs that ran our cattle. It was legal, it was allowed. That may have some people upset here, but after watching some of our cows be torn up (ears torns off, udders cut up), you no longer take the chance that the dogs are going to stop when you yell at them. When dogs run in a pack, as someone stated earlier, they are like teenagers and they do things that they would normally not do. IMO, this guy should be charged with animal cruelty and whatever else they are planning on charging him with.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by pipersjo View Post
When I still lived on the farm, we shot dogs that ran our cattle. It was legal, it was allowed.
Still legal in Michigan.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
Still legal in Michigan.
Still legal here, too! I know some folks who get upset that the ranchers do it, but they haven't seen what "Fido" is up to when he goes off and does "dog stuff" when he meets up with a pack. Being eaten alive is cruel - anyone who has heard the screams of cats, calves & sheep, little dogs, squirrels being shredded by dogs will rethink what can happen. this was definitely pack behavior - the dogs aren't deliberately being mean, they just don't have the comprehension that their victim is suffering, just like a toddler can laugh at the screams a kitty makes when it gets stepped on, which is why I think that the owners are the deplorable ones. Not to mention that a pack of dogs like that is a threat to everyone not big or menacing enough to discourage an attack.
post #15 of 24
Let me just add something else in again.

The dogs took down multiple llamas. Llamas tend to be very aggressive animals, i've seen them put in a herd of Alpacas or flock of Sheep because they can kill a dog with one swift kick or trample it (if they are healthy) which is why they are sometimes used as "guard" animals for flocks. Not to mention those teeth, yikes!!!

The fact so many llamas died (even with the amount of dogs) may show the Llamas were sick/weak which made them easy prey.

If that is the case then the owner should be charged with cruelty and neglect to the Llamas.
post #16 of 24
Oh man, I just watched that video and now I wish I hadn't . . . .

Did anyone else notice how many of those dogs were the supposed "bully" breeds? I know I saw atleast one pitt, a number of terriers, an akita, and a sharpei. Plus the very large saint bernards. . . I absolutely hate when people characterize these breeds as bad but it is this kind of video that helps to fuel the problem. IMHO it just reinforces the fact that it is the owners, not the breed. The video shows the condition the "live stock" was living in, I can't imagine the dogs was much better.
post #17 of 24
Well if the guys owns both the dogs and the llamas that is a totally different story. I thought it was a bit odd to video tape it. The guy should be jailed, fined, and the dogs taken away. He should never get to own any kind of animal again!
post #18 of 24
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The owners HAVE BEEN CHARGED!!!
http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/lo...067212634.html

The authorities are in the process of trying to round up the dogs and it is now believed that there may be more than THIRTY dogs....poor llamas, they didn't stand a chance
And KeithP is right - llamas are used to fend off mountain lions. Other articles also say that all the animals on the place were well-fed, so being hunger-crazed dogs or feeble llamas weren't part of the dynamics.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
The owners HAVE BEEN CHARGED!!!
http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/lo...067212634.html

The authorities are in the process of trying to round up the dogs and it is now believed that there may be more than THIRTY dogs....poor llamas, they didn't stand a chance
And KeithP is right - llamas are used to fend off mountain lions. Other articles also say that all the animals on the place were well-fed, so being hunger-crazed dogs or feeble llamas weren't part of the dynamics.
So let me get this right..... They're charging the owners but not removing the animals?
What good is that going to do
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dixie_Darlin View Post
So let me get this right..... They're charging the owners but not removing the animals?
What good is that going to do
Exactly!
post #21 of 24
Man, where do you find all these disgusting videos? I can't even watch them.

"shudder, shudder".
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Man, where do you find all these disgusting videos? I can't even watch them.

"shudder, shudder".
That last link is to a print story, rather than a video (unless my security software is suppressing something).
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dixie_Darlin View Post
So let me get this right..... They're charging the owners but not removing the animals?
What good is that going to do
At this point in the investigation, there is no authority to confiscate the animals, apparently under Alabama laws. Also, there would need to be a viable plan in action to safely house the animals until disposition of the case. After all, the animals are still legally their property
The fact that the filmed attack was the second attack (2 llamas were killed the previous week) make it even more reprehensible.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
That last link is to a print story, rather than a video (unless my security software is suppressing something).
There you go - I just assumed (makes an ass out of u and me) it was yet another disgusting video and didn't click on it. I didn't want more nightmares.
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