Originally Posted by ckblv
I didn't realize people thought Bush rigged both elections. Wasn't it Ohio that carried the day in 2004? So Ohio in 2004 and Florida and the Supreme Court in 2000 ALL conspired to rig both elections? Now, THAT would REALLY be something.
I hope people won't say that if the Democrats win the White House this year.
I know I won't.
Originally Posted by ckblv
But if Gore in 2000 or Kerry in 2004 had won, then the electronic voting machines would have been running up to par?
The electronic voting machines have pretty much been shown to be unreliable. It would be easier to fix an election with them than most of us realized before the Florida 2000 mess-up.
There was electronic voting in L.A. up until this election. It was only available in two locations this time: the registrar's offices, and at the Braille Institute for the Blind. I guess the blind have a special machine with vocal prompts.
I always felt the Florida election was fixed. Especially since the Palm Beach County results showed way more votes for the conservative (was it Buchanan or Robertson?) than even he could believe he got. Now I know that the machines could have just been wrongly calibrated or that the ballot could have been confusing. I learned that in Toobin's book.
On the other hand, the election should not have been decided in the way it was. The Florida Supreme Court should have been allowed to rule that all the votes should have been recounted and that the standard of "voter intent" should have applied to the ballots in Palm Beach County and elsewhere. Instead Bush took it to the U.S. Supreme Court and they ordered the vote to stand and the recount to be stopped. It was a shoddy decision no matter what party you are for.
It was clear that the Republicans had decided to win by any means necessary. They were uninterested in getting an honest and fair vote and letting the voters decide. The had the governor, the secretary of state and many smaller persons on the county level all thinking their way.
Groups of people flew into the state just to "demonstrate" and raise a ruckus in Miami, to the point that they were able to bully the people doing the recount to stop. No one in the city or county government protected the official recount process from the demonstrators.
The fact that the American people just rolled over and accepted the questionable results made me feel that they would accept a lot more and worse. To my thinking and observation we have accepted the loss of a lot of civil liberaties since then. A frightening amount.
No matter how the vote goes this time, the results of that shoddy election will be played out in people feeling betrayed and cheated.
Don't forget how close the elections actually were in terms of the popular vote. Gore actually won in 2000 and the 2004 was decided by only 1-2%.