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post #1 of 17
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I saw this thread here http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158572 and after stifling the gag reflex, it got me thinking about what they were discussing on the radio a couple of days ago.

There's a lawmaker here in Colorado who is proposing making sexual assault, especially resulting in injury, or aggravated rape, on a small child a capital offense. In other words, the death penalty would be on the table. The argument against it is that if they know they could get death for it, they would be more likely to kill the victim, since there isn't anything deterring them from getting rid of the witness.

Maybe it's just me being vindictive, but it sure wouldn't hurt my feelings at all to see the possibility of death for these monsters. At least there would be no chance of them ever, EVER getting out to hurt another little child. And frankly, if they're willing to rape a toddler or baby then the idea of them being deterred in any way from killing them because of the law makes zero sense to me.
post #2 of 17
I wouldn't feel bad, but I'm for stopping the problem before it starts. Can we open the door for these men? Can we as a society say, "We find your behavior to be a problem, so we want you to get help before you act on your urges."

I don't think that's done. I think these men feel so alone that when they DO act out it's in the most violent manner possible. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that these men shouldn't be punished, but I am saying that there appears to be a real problem. Is there anything we can do before this happens?
post #3 of 17
Me, either, but if I did, this would be an appropriate use of it.
post #4 of 17
I've heard that rehabilitation doesn't work for these monsters & I personally have no interest in seeing them "rehabilitated" & released back into society...haven't we had enough of that already?
Making it a capital crime sounds better to me than rehabilitation, or at least life without the possibility of parole.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
I saw this thread here http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158572 and after stifling the gag reflex, it got me thinking about what they were discussing on the radio a couple of days ago.

There's a lawmaker here in Colorado who is proposing making sexual assault, especially resulting in injury, or aggravated rape, on a small child a capital offense. In other words, the death penalty would be on the table. The argument against it is that if they know they could get death for it, they would be more likely to kill the victim, since there isn't anything deterring them from getting rid of the witness.

Maybe it's just me being vindictive, but it sure wouldn't hurt my feelings at all to see the possibility of death for these monsters. At least there would be no chance of them ever, EVER getting out to hurt another little child. And frankly, if they're willing to rape a toddler or baby then the idea of them being deterred in any way from killing them because of the law makes zero sense to me.

what difference would it make, they would just sit on death row, for 20 to 30 years,
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
There's a lawmaker here in Colorado who is proposing making sexual assault, especially resulting in injury, or aggravated rape, on a small child a capital offense. In other words, the death penalty would be on the table. The argument against it is that if they know they could get death for it, they would be more likely to kill the victim, since there isn't anything deterring them from getting rid of the witness.
well, anti-death penalty proponents would tell you that the threat is not a deterrent... but i'm still for it, since that way, no other children would ever be harmed by that person. & usually that type of offender is a multiple offender, offending again upon release.
post #7 of 17
Pedophilia is incurable, ask any shrink. I do think they should get punished to the full extent of the law. I think they should rot in jail.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
I wouldn't feel bad, but I'm for stopping the problem before it starts. Can we open the door for these men? Can we as a society say, "We find your behavior to be a problem, so we want you to get help before you act on your urges."

I don't think that's done. I think these men feel so alone that when they DO act out it's in the most violent manner possible. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that these men shouldn't be punished, but I am saying that there appears to be a real problem. Is there anything we can do before this happens?
How do we stop the problem before it starts? It's not like these men will come up to someone and say "hello, I'm Joe and I want to sexually molest a child". I doubt very much any of them would call a child molester hotline. It's already known that most child molesters were molested as a child themselves and have had horrible lives which warped them, and I'm sure some have tried to look for help, but the majority keep it hidden because they know it is wrong.

I think the death penalty would be appropriate for some cases, life in prison would be better for others. Believe me, from what I understand, other prisoners can make life a living hell for a child molester which is what he deserves.
post #9 of 17
The whole jail system is about rehabilitation and its still 50/50 whether it works or not.

Psychiatry hasn't been an established science for much more than a 100 years and while we've made advances, we also don't seem to be progressing towards a norm/agreement. Visit any self-help section at your local bookstore. You'll find everything from letting your anger loose to Reasons why you need to contain your anger

I'm not saying that psychiatry isn't a science or a bunch of hooey, because I do believe i n it, however I think there are too many variables/opinions out there.

In short, keep the death penalty going...you'll see less peds return to the street.
post #10 of 17
A lot of deviant behaviors start in childhood. What would be the solution then? Mandatory psych testing starting in grade school?
Though such one on one questioning could potentially discover those who are victims of sexual abuse, as well.


I fully agree they should be punished. If not by persecuting to the full extent of the law... then toss them in with the general prison population. Often things "sort" themselves out when the other inmates learns the person is in for something like that.

(I think I've been watching too much Most Evil on Investigation Discovery. It's creepy how this stuff starts and makes people actually act on their disillusions/fantasies. )
post #11 of 17
If they are proven guilty then I am all for it! There is really no rehabilitation for these degenerates...
post #12 of 17
I think that prevention might involve early intervention when children are cruel to animals. I know that a couple of our SVP clients, although they love animals, found themselves being cruel to the pets for no reason, and no real satisfaction - according to them, it just happens.
One of our SVPs is now in Coalinga Prison, in the rehab program. But his "violence" is the fact that his victims were young teens (although one 13yo was much older in body and behavior than I was at 24! )----somehow, that doesn't compare with the atrocities that those other monsters have committed.
So, for the safety of the public, esp. the children, those crimes should be capital offenses...
post #13 of 17
I'm not one for capital punishment, but I do think that people who do things like that to children and women should be locked up for ever. Sexual predators of any kind never change their ways, they just go to jail for a little while, and as soon as they're out they strike again.
I'm inclined to life for sexually assaulting a young child, and life for sexually assaulting anyone for the second time.
The rape conviction is so low anyway we need a greater deterrent.
Monsters like that never think they'll be caught anyway.

I heard a this couple on Radio 4 about 6 months ago, the mother had discovered the father had been abusing their daughter and he'd gone to jail, and they were trying to keep the formality of a relationship together to provide stability for the daughter who had asked that the family stay together. Listening to it was somewhere between weird and horrible. He sounded so normal and despite knowing how anyone can be a monster, I still expected to be able to tell, you know? To hear the 'evil' in his voice, and because I couldn't, I would forget what he had done and then suddenly remember and be repulsed.
I'll try and find a link
post #14 of 17
How do we prevent it? Well, short of the parents being the only ones alone with their child (and them not being chomos themselves) then there is no way. I know though, that my nephew is 1 now and the only people he's been alone with are his parents, me, my parents, and his full-time daycare woman. It's not that hard to keep shady, untrustworthy people away from your children.

What is hard is keeping people you do think are trustworthy but who aren't away from them. Most people I know who were abused as children- including me- were abused by relatives or close family friends.

I do not believe that the death penalty is ever appropriate, as I think it's just as wrong for the government to sanction murder as it is for a person to justify it to themselves.

I do, however, believe that these men (and the few women) need to be put in jail, permanently and without the possibility of parole, on their FIRST offense. And housed in the general population, though I do realize that this might cause issues in terms of the safety of the guards, so maybe that's not feasible.

They don't deserve the release of death. They don't necessarily deserve to live, to breathe the same air as the rest of us, they certainly don't deserve half a drop of sympathy, or freedom, or anything else.

But. Their survivors live in their own private prisons, for most of us nothing for our whole lives will be unaffected by what they've done. I cannot tell you how much pain it causes when I recognize someone from the registered sex offenders list (which of course, I have memorized) walking around like they haven't a care in the world. It takes a lot not to walk up to some of them and tell them exactly how I feel about them (until recently, Ohio listed the crimes they'd committed as well as the age of the victim, so I know more than I'd like about what they've done) I fail to understand a world where people spend 20 years in prison for cocaine and 2 for molesting a child.

Obviously, the punishments aren't harsh enough. These disgusting excuses for humans are for the most part unrehabilitatable, though I'm not sure why we'd waste the effort on them anyway.

But they're not good enough for death, even if I did feel that the death penalty was ever appropriate.
post #15 of 17
I heard Dennis Miller once talking about pedophilias. He said they should shoot themselves. He called it 'taking one for the team'. And in the guise of comedy he had a point. There is no fixing this. These guys do it again and again.
post #16 of 17
I wish there was a way to stop it before it starts.

There's no cure for pedophilia, and rehabilitation doesn't work. Study after study has shown that.

Death penalty is no deterrant.

Life in prison, sadly, is the only way to stop it. There may be ways to identify likely offenders before they offend, but I sincerely doubt there's any way to stop them beforehand.

The best way to prevent pedophilia is to prevent child abuse, since most abusers were, themselves, abused.
post #17 of 17
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Death penalty is no deterrant.

Life in prison, sadly, is the only way to stop it. There may be ways to identify likely offenders before they offend, but I sincerely doubt there's any way to stop them beforehand.
well,it's not a deterrent... but it does stop it just as effectively as life in prison.
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