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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/...cFLJN0ibpH2ocA

So now the wolves have been removed from the Endangered Species list and the states are that much closer to being hunted, with the Govenor of Idaho publicly proclaiming that he wants to get the first shot
I agree with the environmentalists that there is too much misplaced animosity against wolves. After all, the depradation argument doesn't pan out, since wolves can be shot for killing livestock already.
Just another excuse for humans to kill other creatures for sport, all the while dressed in Gortex camo and other high-tech gear, with high powered guns & off-road vehicles....oooh, so manly-man
post #2 of 13
I saw that. They should still be protected. I really hope that guy from Idaho gets kicked out of office. What a jerk!!!
post #3 of 13
I understand being able to shoot them to protect your livestock but open hunting of wolves doesn't make sense to me, especially after all of the hard work that was done to bring them back.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/...cFLJN0ibpH2ocA

So now the wolves have been removed from the Endangered Species list and the states are that much closer to being hunted, with the Govenor of Idaho publicly proclaiming that he wants to get the first shot
I agree with the environmentalists that there is too much misplaced animosity against wolves. After all, the depradation argument doesn't pan out, since wolves can be shot for killing livestock already.
Just another excuse for humans to kill other creatures for sport, all the while dressed in Gortex camo and other high-tech gear, with high powered guns & off-road vehicles....oooh, so manly-man
You forgot to mention planes & packs of hunting dogs. We don't want to leave any advantage to the wolf!
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I understand being able to shoot them to protect your livestock but open hunting of wolves doesn't make sense to me, especially after all of the hard work that was done to bring them back.

It only makes sense if there is not enough food. To keep them alive.
post #6 of 13
This is probably a hatred that was passed down through each family. I can understand back at the beginning of the century when people first started expanding into wolf territory with their ranches, they hated wolves. Now, even though there are other ways to deter wolves those ranchers decendents hate wolves because of the stories they were told. Sad, evil circle.

I read a book not too long ago about a town somewhere out in that area. It was an historical fiction novel, so it wasn't a true story, but it was based on fact from that era, and there town was proud because their main street was paved with wolf bones that were killed. I almost cried reading it. I'm sure when the ranchers first came the population needed to be thinned a little, but not now.

Even though they were taken off the endangered list, aren't they still on the protected list? So open hunting shouldn't be allowed....especially not for that small of a population.
post #7 of 13
How much time, effort, and money (grants and such) went into bringing them back?

I think all of that be averaged together and an estimated cost per wolf be figured out. Make each rancher that shoots a wolf pay it - likely the cost would be more then a cow would cost.

Cattle die for a number of reasons, often the animals preying on them are wild/loose dogs as they have even less fear of humans. I highly doubt in these rural areas that leash laws are ever enforced.
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I'm sure when the ranchers first came the population needed to be thinned a little, but not now.
At first I misread that as the rancher population needed to be thinned.
post #8 of 13
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It only makes sense if there is not enough food. To keep them alive.
I totally agree with this statement. We (humans) have taken away so much natural habitat from most native species that if we don't take responsibility and artificially control the population then we will see the population dip to dangerously low levels.

At the same time, though, they are saying that there are now 1500 grey wolves, and 100 breeding pairs, in 3 states - Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. This is a HUGE amount of land. I'm no wildlife manager, but I don't think that is a large enough population to warrant any kind of population control.
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
At first I misread that as the rancher population needed to be thinned.
Ah-ha!! So that's reason for all those housing developments springing up everywhere
Seriously, though, I agree that there are some areas with anti-wolf sentiment. In our area, there's a certain class of people who are very anti-cougar which is very similar; twice now, there have been times of "cougar-attacks" on 4-H sheep and on calves; the first one was solved when a rancher eradicated 4 dogs chasing down one of his calves and the second one ended when someone started poisoning the rez dogs
Some of our locals are hoping to get to go wolf-hunting in Idaho - they are the same ones who shoot at the coyotes and bobcats and streetsigns (oh, yeah - gotta gun down those evil street signs)
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by valanhb
At the same time, though, they are saying that there are now 1500 grey wolves, and 100 breeding pairs, in 3 states - Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. This is a HUGE amount of land. I'm no wildlife manager, but I don't think that is a large enough population to warrant any kind of population control.
There has to be more than a few of them that have entered neighboring states and even into Canada. If they allow open hunting of wolves then they'll be back to square one in trying to bring them back again in a few years. Any estimates as to how many are killed due to poaching every year?
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
(oh, yeah - gotta gun down those evil street signs)
lol i know a few i would love to do that to
those street signs can just jump out of no where and surpise you hehe

(i am kidding by the way)

I am not a fan of shooting anything that
a) your not going to eat, and last i saw i dont know anyone that wants to eat a wolf
b) is not trying to eat you, or one of you family. lol i can think of few people i would let wolf or big cat eat(ok kidding there)
post #12 of 13
I am BEYOND furious over this. I work closly with one of the wolf rescues/santuaries in my state and I have a 13 yr old grey wolf mix named Ginger. This affects me on a VERY VERY VERY personal level. It's pathetic how cold people can be.
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
At first I misread that as the rancher population needed to be thinned.
Well, I'm sure the wolves felt that way!

Sorry about the miscommunication. I just reread my post and it was a bit disjointed, but I was upset when I wrote it and my fingers work faster than my brain sometimes. I guess I should start proof-reading.
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