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Should a born-again, self-confessed murderer not do time?

post #1 of 20
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080218/...gmXjaDQ85H2ocA

Okay, the man did confess and his crime was committed 12 years ago, when he was 16 years old, but it does seem like there needs to be some compensation to the victim. We are talking murder here - murder to commmit robbery, not a mistake, accident, etc. - but the deliberate stabbing until the point of death...
However, the man is reformed.....
So, what should our society do to satisfy this debt?
post #2 of 20
That reminds me of the Karla Faye Tucker case, though she was born again in prison:http://www.courttv.com/archive/casef...ackground.html
post #3 of 20
Why does his religion have any bearing whatsoever on his punishment? If anything should be a mitigating circumstance, it should be his age at the time of the crime, which I imagine will be taken into consideration. (eta: didn't realize he never was caught and turned himself in, though that doesn't change my opinion).

Just because he's really really sorry doesn't bring the person he murdered back to life, it doesn't help the family, it doesn't really help anyone but him.
post #4 of 20
I don't think his religion should matter one way or another. You do the crime then you should serve the time.
post #5 of 20
Exactly what Julie and Eva said.

Would this be an issue if he had converted to Satanism? Or Wicca? Or Islam? I dare say that if that were the case (any of the 3) that would be the argument to deny him parole, not get him out early, regardless of the moral values he may or may not hold. Or how sorry he is that he killed someone.

Why is it that just because someone says they are "born again" or converted that they are suddenly an upstanding citizen with high moral values?

ETA: We've been watching a lot of Lockup on MSNBC where they go into the prisons and interview and stuff. One of the men they talked with is a man on death row, convicted of killing 4 people. While he seems very sincere about his conversion, he also made the point to the producer/interviewer that there really is no difference between murder and stealing a cracker because they are both sins. No, really...he argued about it with the producer - he sees it as exactly the same thing. Now, I don't know about you, but I think there is a BIG distinction between the two, and I don't want someone who sees it in the same way out on the street.

The point is that just because someone believes in God (or doesn't for that matter) doesn't mean they aren't just as capable of harming another.
post #6 of 20
I don't care if he is "reformed", he should still do some time.
post #7 of 20
Being a Christian does not exempt you from punishment from earthly laws. Becoming Christian after breaking those laws also does not exempt you from punishment from earthly laws.

I think they should charge him based on his age at the time, and nothing else (e.g., don't take into account his new Christian status, etc.). He may have made his peace with God, but he still has to answer for what he did.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by emrldsky View Post
Being a Christian does not exempt you from punishment from earthly laws. Becoming Christian after breaking those laws also does not exempt you from punishment from earthly laws.

I think they should charge him based on his age at the time, and nothing else (e.g., don't take into account his new Christian status, etc.). He may have made his peace with God, but he still has to answer for what he did.
Yeah! My thoughts exactly.
post #9 of 20
I believe the time to show remorse is during the trial. If indeed he is now showing remorse, that is better than not showing remorse, even 12 years later. But I personally don't think it makes any diff WHY he is showing remorse, if it is because of being born again or simply realized that what he did is considered morally wrong by most people.
post #10 of 20
No, just cause he "repented" of the murder and is born-again, he STILL should serve time for the consequences of his actions.

If you think of love and forgivness, there still should be the discipline to go with it. You still have to take responsibility for your actions.
post #11 of 20
Oh come on! I wish this guy would be serious.

If he doesn't have to do time, then that just opens up the door to a whole bunch of others to claim murder but also claim their born again.

Besides, you would wind up with a whole bunch of criminals, murderers, rapists, etc, representing christianity.
post #12 of 20
I agree that he has to serve the time. The part of the article that bothered me was when that person called him a "hero." Confessing to a murder does NOT make him a hero.

Sometimes people say the dumbest things.
post #13 of 20
"I am thrilled my son has a role model to accept responsibility the way Calvin has,"
Unbelieveable. It's so ridiculous it's almost funny, one of those situations where you just shake your head & chuckle in disgust. Talk about some real bleeding hearts. And to call him a HERO???
The "hero" label has been thrown around waaaaaaaay too much since 9-11 but this is pushing it. This is an insult to real people of heroism & courage, it's an insult to people who are serving hard time for their sins it's an insult to any higher power to be used in such a way & the biggest insult of all is to the victim & family.
Send him through the system like all of the other "sinners" & throw him in the general population & see how much forgiveness there is there. If he makes it out alive, then he can work on rebuilding his life, just like anyone else, "Born-Again" or not.
post #14 of 20
If he is really repentant and confessed himself to the murder, I say great for him. That is a huge personal achievement.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that he should legally be off the hook. First, it's impossible for the judge to know if he really means it. Second, if he really regrets what he has done, he should be willing to accept the punishment for it. If he thinks that just because he has confessed to the crime he should not be punished, than he is not repentant. To be truly repentant would mean to accept the seriousness of the offence and of the punishment.
I suppose the person he killed might have some surviving family and friends. If the man truly understands the harm he has done to them, how could he deny them any sense of justice or closure that would come with his punishment?

Still, he should be shown some clemency in the sentencing if he has himself come forward to confess the crime. Not because of his religious beliefs though... I don't see how that's relevant at all.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by marie-p View Post
If he is really repentant and confessed himself to the murder, I say great for him. That is a huge personal achievement.
If he really regrets what he has done, he should be willing to accept the punishment for it. If he thinks that just because he has confessed to the crime he should not be punished, than he is not repentant. To be truly repentant would mean to accept the seriousness of the offence and of the punishment.
i agree. his eternal life is guaranteed, assuming he's being honest about his conversion. that doesn't exempt him [or any of us] from the earthly consequences of his sins.
BTW, i saw an interview on tv w/Karla Faye Tucker. she was not interested in having her sentence commuted - in that interview, she stated that she had committed the crimes, & deserved to be punished for them. really made me believe in the truth of her conversion - she was at peace with her death to come in this life. it was some Christian groups that wanted her sentence commuted.
post #16 of 20
How about...........................................No.
post #17 of 20
Lock him up. I agree with the others in saying you do the crime, you do the time.

Oh, and anyone who thinks this person is a "hero" needs professional help.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by snosrap5 View Post
I don't think his religion should matter one way or another. You do the crime then you should serve the time.
Exactly!............
post #19 of 20
dont care if he is born again or not.
whats the old song, dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
post #20 of 20
I'm very happy that he confessed and that he turned himself in. Now the family of the man he stabbed can finally get some closure. However, he needs to serve time for what he's done, and I think that he knows that. The crime was committed when he was 16, so it's quite possible he may not be tried as an adult for it. If he is, and he does do time in an adult jail he can Minister to his fellow inmates.
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