Persistant Spirochetes

hyper piper

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Hi everyone,

I'm new here but you all seem so knowledgeable I was hoping to get some advice about my cat, Piper. She's about 6 months old and I got her from a rescue group about a month and a half ago. She's had all her shots, is spayed, and is very energetic and runs like crazy!

Well, about three weeks ago, Piper wakes up and throws up her food. I didn't think much of it as she was still running around and acting normal. A few days after that, I wake up to Piper vomitting once again. More like mucus than cat food this time. I called the vet, and they thought since she was acting normal and eating and drinking just fine that it probably wasn't a big deal. Well, a few days after that, I was up to Piper throwing up. Just mucus again. She then threw up two more times in the next two hours, and then had diarrhea. So off to the vet we went.

The vet did a fecal, and he said that she had some spirochetes. She went on Flagyl for a week and seemed to get better. One week after the vet visit, she's not really being herself and has diarrhea again. It was only once though, and since she was eating and drinking and went back to acting normal, I figured she was fine. Well, Wednesday morning Piper wakes me up throwing up again, then again about a half hour later. When she went to the bathroom and had diarrhea again, we went off to the vet.

The vet (a different one this time) did another fecal and her exact words were, "Piper's feces look like sperm." Apparently she had so many spirochetes that they were everywhere and just wiggling all over the place. The vet told me she wasn't really sure the best approach to treat it. She looked it up in some of their veterinary databases, and I guess the new thinking is that diarrhea causes spirochetes, not spirochetes cause diarrhea as was originally thought.

The two options she gave me was to either try another round of Flagyl for longer, or to try a hypoallergenic diet in case it is something in her food that is bothering her. She reccommended the diet just to see. So now Piper is eating a Venison and Green Pea food from Royal Canin.

She's been fine for the past couple days. She must be fighting off the spirochetes and then they flare up again. I say that because in between her episodes of vomitting and diarrhea, she is completely fine. Eating like normal, drinking like normal, pooping like normal, running around like crazy... and then I wake up and she's throwing up. I didn't know if anyone had an idea about what to do. It didn't really seem like the vet had any experience with a case like this, so I'm hoping maybe one of you has.

Thank you so much for reading all this. She had been eating Science Diet kitten dry food with some Fancy Feast as a treat at night. Now that I've been reading what everyone here has to say, I'm thinking I may just be wasting my money with the Science Diet
So any suggestions??
 

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Welcome to TheCatSite.


I was not familiar with spirochetes so I did a google search.
I think they are a kind of bacteria.
If that's true, the food Piper is eating, is probably not responsible for the infection.
I don't think her diarrhea would cause this either.
If they are wiggley things, that almost sounds like worms but I just don't know.


Did your vets explain to you what spirochetes are and how you could go forward with her treatment?
I would ask your vet for clarification about what his is and how to treat it.

You might need to get a referral to a specialist if they are not that familiar with this problem.

Please let us know what you find out.
Other members might have more info for you so keep checking back.

I did a search in this forum...
apparently spirochetes refers to the shape of a bacteria not what kind of bacteria.
http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...ht=spirochetes

Here is another one...
http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=10
 
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So from what the first vet told me (same clinic just saw a different vet that day), spirochetes naturally occur in the intestinal lining in all cats. Normally, the good bacteria keep them in check unless stress, bad food, or something else throws off the natural healthy balance and the spirochetes can grow out of control. The first time I brought her in the vet's first thought was that her food was rancid since nothing has changed at home. It smelled fine, but I bought a new bag, with a different expiration date so from a different batch, and she was still sick. I talked with her foster mom, and she's been eating the Science Diet since she was weaned from the bottle, but I guess maybe it is possible she developed some kind of allergy.

She also came from a foster house with a lot of cats, and a lot of different foods. I don't believe her foster mom noticed her eating the other cats' food regularly, but I guess it was possible she doesn't like the Science Diet and was scavenging the dogs' and cats' food when she could. My house it's her only option, so it's either eat that or be hungry.

I feel so bad for her. She's such a happy cat except for when I wake up in the morning to her crying, meaning she is about to throw up. She normally cries every morning until I finally get up and give her her favorite toy and play with her. At first I thought she was just getting herself all worked up and upset and that's what made her throw up. Oh, that's the other thing. She only throws up in the morning, right after she wakes up, before she eats anything. Think that can be related somehow?
 

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My vet said the same thing about spirochetes. That the new thinking is the diarrhea causes the increase in spirochetes and not that the spirochetes are the cause of the bacteria.

I have a sensitive stomach kitty. Actually I went through a period last year where several of the cats were getting sick with vomiting and diarrhea. For the chronic vomiting the vet had me try carafate. It worked and only needed to give it for a week.

The diarrhea was another kitty that has a very sensitive stomach. Can't have any hairball formula food or he get diarrhea.

Not much help I know, but just wanted to through a couple ideas out there. I think you should definitely look into other food options. Also ask the vet about something to coat her throat/stomach to protect from stomach acid from vomiting.
 

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Originally Posted by Hyper Piper

So from what the first vet told me (same clinic just saw a different vet that day), spirochetes naturally occur in the intestinal lining in all cats. Normally, the good bacteria keep them in check unless stress, bad food, or something else throws off the natural healthy balance and the spirochetes can grow out of control.
If this was caused by kitties "gut flora" (aka "good bacteria") being out of whack maybe prebiotics and or probiotics would help. They help reestablish good gut flora. These supplements are available from pet supply stores. Given your kitties current condition I think you should discuss this with vet first though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prebiotics
 
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