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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Hillary for sure!! She has so much more experience then Obama. I like the guy, but he needs more experience for me. 2 years in the Senate just doesn't work for me.
God I hope not. I'd rather see Mc Clain in office than Hillary. I don't see where she has SO much more experience. Just because she was the 1st lady doesn't mean a thing.

Just you all wait..if she wins, we're all going to be sorry, and a whole lot worse off. Her health plan ALONE, will destroy many of us, who would be considered the working poor. Since she plans to make health insurance mandatory, our employers aren't going to feel the need to provide us with insurance, and even if they still do provide insurance for us, I'm sure she'll expect those of us who are barely making it to help pay for everyone else's insurance. She's not looking at things from the point of view of the Working Poor...she's looking at things from the point of view of the unemployed. This woman is a disaster. She's cold, heartless and a robot. If she wins, it will be just about as bad for those of us who are in the lower middle class levels financially, as it has been with Bush.

I believe Obama is much more compassionate, much more sincere person, who will do the right thing by ALL of us, not just the few.
post #32 of 39
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
When this one is all over, I think I'll go independent. I'm pretty much disenchanted with both parties. The candidates range from wishy washy to just plain scary. I cannot figure out why the Democrats even want the office this time around. Surely no rational person thinks that they can take office and solve all of Iraq's woes to the point of being able to withdraw in 60 days. And the blame (there will be blame, however it turns out) will end up with whoever is in office at the time.
Mike, they don't want to solve anything in Iraq. They just want to pull out. And when it goes to hell in a handbasket they'll do the same thing they've been doing for 8 years - blame Bush. Make it so they are just trying to fix America and it's all the Republican's fault for getting us there in the first place. EVERYTHING will be Bush's fault for the next 4 years, no matter what they do or don't do.
post #33 of 39
I foresee another Saigon and it makes my guts churn. The young people here didn't live it, it was horrible. When you see what happens when we suddenly pull out, it won't matter whose fault it is to the tens of thousands that get massacred and beheaded. My God have mercy on us if we abandon those people.
post #34 of 39
I voted for McCain... I don't think America is ready for a woman president or an African American president. I really don't like any of the choices, but I dislike McCain the least.

I have always disliked Hillary. The joke around here was that she "ran" the country while Bill was messing with Monica. And we don't want to let Bill loose around all those starry eyed interns!
post #35 of 39
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Originally Posted by Catkiki View Post
I voted for McCain... I don't think America is ready for a woman president or an African American president. I really don't like any of the choices, but I dislike McCain the least.

I have always disliked Hillary. The joke around here was that she "ran" the country while Bill was messing with Monica. And we don't want to let Bill loose around all those starry eyed interns!
I'm going to assume you're joking, so don't take this personally. I'd just like to point something out. Use what I'm assuming to be purely posted in jest as an example, if you will.

At no point in this post are there any comments about the politics of these individuals. All over this thread, there have been comments about who someone "likes" or "dislikes" and then this post in particular brings up the ol' Bill and the Interns situation. Which, really, has nothing to do with the ability of any of the candidates to run the country. Therefore, I don't understand the frequency with which people bring it up when discussing who they'll vote for.

Race and gender are two things that we already accept, at least CONCEPTUALLY, as having no real bearing on one's ability to do things. I don't understand how we're "not ready" to invite a little diversity into the White House. I realize that racism and sexism are unfortunately still ingrained into the minds of a lot of Americans, but a lot of us are too good for that. Surely those of us on TCS are! So, I personally am not going to concern myself with what a few closeminded folks are "ready" for. The country is ready for an eloquent, intelligent, functional leader who will move this country forward, regardless of race or gender, and regardless of ready we THINK we're ready or not. All you have to do is look around you to see this, and many of these issues are totally universal and bipartisan. We need to educate our people, we need to have a strong infrastructure and we need to take steps to strengthen the economy. Everyone will agree at least on that. Now, we need to move past superficiality and start having meaningful discussions on HOW to do these things, without all the name-calling, without all of the religio-political-rhetoric slinging, and without bringing up the goshdarn interns!

Of course persona is important in a leader. But, we elected a guy we thought we could have a beer with and he took the country to hell in a handbasket, which at this point, is a fairly universally accepted notion among the American people for a variety of reasons. Persona is not the ONLY thing that's important, just like religion and race and gender and background can't stand on their own when choosing a leader. All of them are important for their own sake, but I think we're often to quick to oversimplify when making a decision as important as who to vote for.
post #36 of 39
Oh Please not McCain!!! I don't trust him AT ALL!! I would prefer Hillary but I'll vote Obama if I have to
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant View Post
I'm going to assume you're joking, so don't take this personally. I'd just like to point something out. Use what I'm assuming to be purely posted in jest as an example, if you will.

At no point in this post are there any comments about the politics of these individuals. All over this thread, there have been comments about who someone "likes" or "dislikes" and then this post in particular brings up the ol' Bill and the Interns situation. Which, really, has nothing to do with the ability of any of the candidates to run the country. Therefore, I don't understand the frequency with which people bring it up when discussing who they'll vote for.

Race and gender are two things that we already accept, at least CONCEPTUALLY, as having no real bearing on one's ability to do things. I don't understand how we're "not ready" to invite a little diversity into the White House. I realize that racism and sexism are unfortunately still ingrained into the minds of a lot of Americans, but a lot of us are too good for that. Surely those of us on TCS are! So, I personally am not going to concern myself with what a few closeminded folks are "ready" for. The country is ready for an eloquent, intelligent, functional leader who will move this country forward, regardless of race or gender, and regardless of ready we THINK we're ready or not. All you have to do is look around you to see this, and many of these issues are totally universal and bipartisan. We need to educate our people, we need to have a strong infrastructure and we need to take steps to strengthen the economy. Everyone will agree at least on that. Now, we need to move past superficiality and start having meaningful discussions on HOW to do these things, without all the name-calling, without all of the religio-political-rhetoric slinging, and without bringing up the goshdarn interns!

Of course persona is important in a leader. But, we elected a guy we thought we could have a beer with and he took the country to hell in a handbasket, which at this point, is a fairly universally accepted notion among the American people for a variety of reasons. Persona is not the ONLY thing that's important, just like religion and race and gender and background can't stand on their own when choosing a leader. All of them are important for their own sake, but I think we're often to quick to oversimplify when making a decision as important as who to vote for.
Great Post! I really hope that people take the time to thoroughly understand each candidates stand. That means both parties. Please read through all the information that have on their websites. Understand the details. The next President of the country is going to need to be exemplary if we are going to get out of the long term mess we are in on so many different fronts.

I too am upset with people voting on superficial qualities. Look at the last election, people were saying John Kerry looked too much like a horse to be president. WTH is that?! How much stupider can this country get?

At this point I don't know who will be president. I believe all the candidates have faults and Hilary and McCain are too focused on pushing party line than really listening to what the entire country would want.
Unfortunately for me, VP choices are going to play a part in trying to determine just what each candidate is really planning.
post #38 of 39
I only hope a demo is president and not a repub......I getting tired of them.
post #39 of 39
I nominate myself to be emperor....I mean president. That was a typo...or not.

I have no idea who will win but I know I don't want to vote for any of them.
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