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post #1 of 20
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Howdy everyone! I haven't been on here in AGES! But I have a bit of a dilemma [as always] and thought ya'll might be able to help!

Anyone have the skinny on the latest new foods being produced? Napolean is itching at his ear again, this time we're on Cal. Natural Herring and Sweet Potatoe. He's actually tolerating it pretty well, only digging at his ear instead of his face. I've used Mometamax [ear meds for dogs actually...] to keep the inflammation down, but don't want that to be the fixer, because it's a high dose of topical steroid, and steroids are bad news.

Before this, he was on Ziwi Peak Venison and doing fairly well on it, but it's just TOO expensive. I have two cats, I can't get different foods for them because Napolean would end up eating something he isn't supposed to, and it was costing me $100 a month to feed them since the food only comes in a 14oz bag that costs me $12.99, and Napolean actually dropped quite a bit of weight on it, like I'd say 2lbs at least, so now he's back to where he should be at.

In any case, he still reacted to the Ziwi Peak, which is too expensive for him to be itching! I talked to an allergist at a Continuing Ed class, and she said essentially I'll be switching foods his whole life and that we can always try rotating. z/d isn't even an option because it gives Napolean wicked diarrhea [a sign of allergic reaction] and even Pause's stools aren't quite normal on it because it's so broken down.

SO
Anyone know of any weird new diets? Maybe other diets using Sweet Potatoe? Napolean is for sure allergic to Peas, so nothing with Peas. He's reacted to all kinds of protein sources even things he hasn't ever had [buffalo, pheasant, duck, rabbit etc.] So if anyone has information on new foods, I am all ears! Raw is also pretty much out of the question. I bought some Elk to make a raw diet with, he refused to touch it raw, refused to touch it cooked, refused to touch it flavored with tuna, fish chowder, and a couple other flavorings from our pharmacy. He got sick on Nature's Variety patties, and since then refuses to eat raw food. But if anyone has any weird protein ideas, I am still totally all ears. I'm accepting the fact he's allergic to everything, but I need to find more foods to try, because I am running out of options.

Thanks!
Suzanne
post #2 of 20
Are you only looking for dry, or would canned be a possibility?

Fromm's has a Duck dry food: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/p...nd_id=87&Page=
It does have garlic, which I personally don't feel comfortable feeding, but I know you're limited in options at this point.

You might also talk to your vet and see whether it would be possible to use a limited source dog food and give supplements to make up the difference between the dog food and the cat food. Natural Balance has a couple of them, including a Duck and Potato that comes in small bites: http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/PandD.html

They also have a Sweet Potato and Fish, and a Sweet Potato and Venison. The dog foods are lower in protein and fat, but you might be able to work with your vet to come up with appropriate supplements, including cooked meat or canned food.
post #3 of 20
Have you considered trying a grain free? There are a lot on the market...is he allergic to any protiens?
post #4 of 20
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Have you considered trying a grain free? There are a lot on the market...is he allergic to any protiens?
the pea thing knocks most of those out ... along with the chn

wellness came out with a fish core for dogs maybe if that flys theyll do it for cats
post #5 of 20
Oh, if it helps, my Damita has food intolerance issues....seems to most everything. Fromms Duck a la veg works great for her!
post #6 of 20
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Have you considered trying a grain free? There are a lot on the market...is he allergic to any protiens?
His problem is that he's basically allergic to everything, and my vet talked to a dermatologist/allergist who went so far as to suggest that he is allergic to meat proteins in general. Cats are not vegetarian, which unfortunatley would probably in a perfect world be the best option for him. We've done biopsies and blood tests and many ear swabs and it's always the same issue. He's pretty much had food allergies his entire life, the woman who rescued him treated him for earmites, but never confirmed the gunk in his ears was mites. Him and his brother were found in a garbage can, so it stands to reason that he has the worste immune system ever!

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They also have a Sweet Potato and Fish, and a Sweet Potato and Venison. The dog foods are lower in protein and fat, but you might be able to work with your vet to come up with appropriate supplements, including cooked meat or canned food.
I'll talk to my vet about it. That's something I've thought about before, but I'm just not sure how you'd raise the protein content because I'd need to find a unique protein source.

I am not opposed to putting them on a wet food diet, they get free fed dry food, and get a can of wet food per day because I do think feeding wet is better than feeding all dry, but I found after allowing free feeding, they quit yowling all the time :p

Thanks for the suggestions so far!
post #7 of 20
Damita's food issues cause her to vomit/dry heave regularly....up to a dozen times a day. She was itching her ears raw....and would have no hair on her ears.

The vet put her on Prednisone.....she had a severe outbreak of raw ears/runny & bloody poo/vomiting. Since then, she's had normal stools, her ear scabbing is down to a breakout every 2-4 weeks(panalog on the sores clears it up rapidly), & she no only vomits, only occaisonal dry heaves like once every 3 weeks. She gets 1/2 pill every other day for life. She'll be 8 years old this summer, I think. She'll be on the pred probably for life, but she'll have quality of life over quantity.
post #8 of 20
I've just started me cat on a feeding trial due to possible food allergies! This must be a pretty common problem...

That said, if he can eat any of these, the EVO 95% meat cans are good...they come in large cans (13.2oz) so less expensive and the dog cans are the same as the cat ones, so they are sometimes cheaper... They have: duck, beef, chicken/turkey, rabbit, and venison. I order mine from petfooddirect by the case, but it might be a good idea to buy one/some individually to see if your guy will eat it before commiting to a case.

Art
post #9 of 20
there is always homemade which sometimes works since YOU are in total control
post #10 of 20
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The vet put her on Prednisone.....she had a severe outbreak of raw ears/runny & bloody poo/vomiting. Since then, she's had normal stools, her ear scabbing is down to a breakout every 2-4 weeks(panalog on the sores clears it up rapidly), & she no only vomits, only occaisonal dry heaves like once every 3 weeks. She gets 1/2 pill every other day for life. She'll be 8 years old this summer, I think. She'll be on the pred probably for life, but she'll have quality of life over quantity
Yeah... I never tried pred. I did depo-medrol injections, the first 3 worked very well. One lasted 8 months, but after that, it didn't help at all. Not to mention Napolean gained a some weight, he's like a 9lb cat and went up to 11lbs. I'm really leery about using steroids for forever. I mean that's GREAT if it's keeping your kitty happy, so I hope you don't take my saying that the wrong way, I'm just hoping to go as long as I can without using tons of steroids. I'm also leery of him becoming diabetic or going into renal failure because I won't be able to put him on special diets made to maintain cats with those issues, IE: k/d or m/d.

I would be into trying the Fromms Duck a la veg but it's got turkey and chicken in it, and he's allergic to both.

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there is always homemade which sometimes works since YOU are in total control
Yeah, the only issue being I wouldn't be able to balance the diet until I know what he is and isn't allergic to, and I still need a novel protein source. I know the biggest amino acid cats need is Taurine, however he would never be able to have a balanced diet because I am totally not a rocket scientist, and wouldn't know how to substitute what he's missing, or what he would be missing depending on the protein source. I've done homemade diets with him before, doing raw turkey and also using Evanger's Game Meats and adding Taurine, but you can never be 100% certain he's getting everything he needs.
post #11 of 20
Gigi is now on homemade and I have found at least a handful of GREAT supplements ( most fairly hypo )...

have you done the raw vs cooked test ??? some animals are allergic to a cooked meat and not to the raw meat
post #12 of 20
Was an allergy test done?

I agree with trying the Evo 95% formulas, but there could be inhalant/contact/other non-food related allergies at work also.
post #13 of 20
I understand you're reluctance to use Pred.....this was literally Damita's last option. That's the only reason I'm doing it.
post #14 of 20
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Was an allergy test done?

I agree with trying the Evo 95% formulas, but there could be inhalant/contact/other non-food related allergies at work also.
Yes, we did a blood panel and skin testing. He isn't allergic to any inhalants/physical things. The blood panel brought up his highest allergen as 79 units, 150 is significant. The skin testing resulted in no reactions. It was really the biggest waste of $300 ever, but it's something we had to try.

Also the EVO is in the same proteins he's had before. He's had Evanger's 100% Rabbit, Duck, and Venison, all which he reacted to.

We have done kind of a raw/cooked test. Napolean reacted to cooked Venison, but seemed to do better on the dried meat version, however he was still reactive after a while. The allergists I have talked to said most severe animal allergy cases do fine on a food for a bit, and have to be rotated to something else. They said that eventually we could rotate back to a food we have used before, but basically his whole life is going to be food trials and switching his foods around. Also, I need to stress this he WILL NOT eat raw anymore. Nature's Variety made him throw up, and now he sill not touch any kind of raw meat. I tried not feeding him for a few days and only offering raw, and he still would not touch it. This is a cat who eats anything, but he definitley does not like raw food.

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I understand you're reluctance to use Pred.....this was literally Damita's last option. That's the only reason I'm doing it.
I completely understand! That's why we did so many depo injections, at the time it was all I could do to keep Napolean from ripping his face off and if it still worked, I'd definitley be doing it.
post #15 of 20
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Also the EVO is in the same proteins he's had before. He's had Evanger's 100% Rabbit, Duck, and Venison, all which he reacted to.
I think Evangers has a buffalo formula as well. How long are you giving the foods before you switch?

Canine caviar has a 100% beaver product. It's labeled for supplemental feeding only, so you might need talk to your vet about filling in the gaps if need be.

http://caninecaviar.com/beaver.html#BeaverIngredients
post #16 of 20
Addiction has some novel proteins, but all their cat foods have peas. Tiki cat has a couple of different kinds of fish--tuna and sardines.
post #17 of 20
Wow - well, one suggestion I have is to add both probiotics and digestive enzymes to all of his food. The digestive enzymes and probiotics will help to breakdown the food and make your cat's digestion of food more complete. I use pet enzymes, http://www.petenzymes.com/ but I know there are alot of great products out there. I am so sorry Napolean is having such a tough time.
post #18 of 20
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I think Evangers has a buffalo formula as well. How long are you giving the foods before you switch?

Canine caviar has a 100% beaver product. It's labeled for supplemental feeding only, so you might need talk to your vet about filling in the gaps if need be.
I did the Buffalo first actually when I was trying the Evanger's game meats, and he reacted to it right away. I've been told Buffalo is similar to beef. I'm totally going to check out the Canine Caviar, I'll have to talk to my vet about what we can do in terms of supplementing it... I know Taurine is the biggest concern for cats, but I really don't want either of my cats to get any deficiency issues, ya know? In any case, he's never had beaver before so it's worth a try!

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Addiction has some novel proteins, but all their cat foods have peas. Tiki cat has a couple of different kinds of fish--tuna and sardines.
*sighs* Addiction was one of the first foods that got us in the door in terms of using higher quality/natual foods. Someone on this forum actually recommended Addiction when it was first coming out. We tried both the Unagi and Seaweed and the Brushtail, and he reacted to both. Which is what made me do a test between peas and carrots. At the time our "in between" food was z/d so I mixed carrots with the z/d first, and he didn't have issues, I mixed peas with the z/d and instantly he was scratching his face off. It was really a bummer because I really like Addiction.

I'll have to check out this Tiki Cat you speak of.

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Wow - well, one suggestion I have is to add both probiotics and digestive enzymes to all of his food. The digestive enzymes and probiotics will help to breakdown the food and make your cat's digestion of food more complete. I use pet enzymes, http://www.petenzymes.com/ but I know there are alot of great products out there. I am so sorry Napolean is having such a tough time.
Wow that's a really good idea. Especially since the website says that the Probiotics will help boost the immune system, which is what he needs. Thanks so much for the link!
post #19 of 20
make sure to add in enzymes with the probiotics
post #20 of 20
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make sure to add in enzymes with the probiotics
Yeah that website says they really go well together. I'm all over that!
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