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post #1 of 118
Thread Starter 
This is insanity.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...01081fat1.html

Granted, it is described as probably dead on arrival, but this is a huge area of discussion and I know concern, in the US.

My concern is that I don't believe in legislating what folks buy or eat, but in education. And I have a HUGE (ha) problem with the current food pyramid, ada diet recommendations for diabetics, and current accepted "truths" about what is and isn't a healthy diet.

Just to get some of where I'm coming from on this topic out there.

How do you folks feel about restaurants being banned from serving the obese, or a fat tax on certain foods etc, etc?
post #2 of 118
Somebody is trying to become "known". I hope the attempt backfires.
post #3 of 118
Seeing as how I have seen plenty of news stories printed about obese people filing lawsuits against the fast food and other restaurants for "making" them fat, I don't think there is one thing wrong with this.
Maybe if people would take their own responsibility for their own gluttony
and quit trying to blame others it would not have to come to this.
post #4 of 118
Thread Starter 
First, so you'll know where I am coming from, I have a problem with such lawsuits (though I won't say all because I'd want to read the particular lawsuit first and not just make an assumption).

But to me, what you are saying is that obesity is caused by just gluttony. And that is not the case.
post #5 of 118
HUM DId the writer take any science classes past the second or third grade??
post #6 of 118
Well, it certainly is not caused by the restaurants serving foods.


And yes, I should have posted a disclaimer in my previous post that I am aware there are medical conditions that cause weight gain. Sorry about that.
post #7 of 118
Restaurants not serving them won't help, even if it did pass. They can always go the food store, or call for delivery and have their average weight family members meet the door. Seriously....unreal.
post #8 of 118
It sounds discriminatory to me, no matter what the reason is for them being heavy. What's next, ugly people being banned from bars?
post #9 of 118
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Well, it certainly is not caused by the restaurants serving foods.


And yes, I should have posted a disclaimer in my previous post that I am aware there are medical conditions that cause weight gain. Sorry about that.
I know but that is kind of my point. Why should restaurants be made to police if one is obese (per some government department) and what you can and can not eat? By refusing you (you as the obese person) service, without even knowing what they'd order..well, to me that is discriminatory and does nothing to solve the causes behind obesity (which may be varied).

Another example of where I am coming from is that children need a certain amount of fat in their diet (no, I can't list a study, but I think I can find references...can you all tell today is a day off for me ) but some of the latest "Healthy Meals" touted by a local fast food restaurant included breaded chicken nuggets, low fat milk, an apple (the only think I approve of in this meal) and CARMEL DIPPING SAUCE for the apple. Oh yeah, demon fat but give them that sugary, worthless dipping sauce.
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #10 of 118
...lol.. I eat a kids meal at a big chain that claims "healthy meals... lol it had more sugar in it than I allow in a day most days...
post #11 of 118
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Talk about the government stepping on our rights!! When is this stupidity ever going to end? Educating people on eating a healthy diet and on how important a healthy diet is to their health, is what is needed. But it is OUR choice if we want to eat healthy or not, not the governments. What other rights will they want to take away next? This is pure discrimination to people who have a weight problem. I doubt that it would pass, but then again, they way things are now, it would not surprise me if it did. America, home of the free...now that is a joke
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Seeing as how I have seen plenty of news stories printed about obese people filing lawsuits against the fast food and other restaurants for "making" them fat, I don't think there is one thing wrong with this
These lawsuits are just wrong as the majority of lawsuits are. These should have been thrown out of court.
post #12 of 118
Obesity in proliferating in the United States: 3.8 million people are over 300 pounds, over 400,000 people (mostly males) carry over 400 pounds and the average adult female weighs an unprecedented 163 pounds!

63% of Americans are overweight with a Body Mass Index (BMI) in excess of 25.0.

31% are obese with a BMI in excess of 30.0.

If that bill is passed, there will be a great number of restaurants closing, and a whole lot of people thrown out of work.
post #13 of 118
oh, yeah, that'll pass the restaurateurs will lobby against it, the fat people will sign petitions, & any pol who supports it will probably find his/her career dead in the water. & according to current standards [BMI charts] there are several well-known, non-obese people who come out as obese on the calculations. & just how would the restaurants determine obesity? whose standards? is there gonna be a scale & measuring tape at the front door?
politicians are not usually quite this stupid!
post #14 of 118
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Talk about the government stepping on our rights!! When is this stupidity ever going to end? Educating people on eating a healthy diet and on how important a healthy diet is to their health, is what is needed. But it is OUR choice if we want to eat healthy or not, not the governments. What other rights will they want to take away next? This is pure discrimination to people who have a weight problem. I doubt that it would pass, but then again, they way things are now, it would not surprise me if it did. America, home of the free...now that is a joke
Well said! Talk about Orwellian tactics. It would be humorous to see hostesses getting people on scales and taking body measurements for BMIs
post #15 of 118
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I was thinking if this did pass, what else it might lead to. No obese waiters or waitresses, and certainly no obese hostesses. Of course, if your chef's are fat how can you count on their judgement when cooking for others?

Same for celebrity chefs who publish cookbooks -shame on Mario Batalli! Just how "good" can his recipes be and what kind of example is he setting for kids who like to cook and might want to grow up to be chefs?

And then...those who design restaurants, what they pick for the menu, they should set an example by what they offer..no more all you can eat buffets, Mongolian Grills - outta here.

Oh what a lovely bit of a play one could write using such absurd "solutions".
post #16 of 118
Does anyone remember that study on the Ocean's Eleven (Twelve?) cast on who was overweight - I can really see them turning away the stars saying sorry but you are classed as obese.

Really - where do people come up with these ideas?
post #17 of 118
Why don't they try passing a bill that makes restaurants server LOW SODIUM, LOW FAT food, desserts where the sugar doesn't outweight the rest of the ingrediants, and SMALLER portions.

Preventing obese individuals from being served only deters them for a little bit, not long term. Americans are now in the habit of eating out 1-3 days a week on average. Maybe if the food is served nutrionally then we could curb the obesity rate.
post #18 of 118
oh sure and while we're at it why don't we bring back the segregation laws Ridiculous!
post #19 of 118
IMO, it would make more sense to ban high-fructose corn syrup, or at least require HFC to have a warning label My urologist warned me about HFC way back in '92 - he told me that it was developed as a cheap, fast way to put weight on meat animals & it had adverse effect on study mammals, but the original food-critters were to be through the slaughterhouse & on the shelf or in the freezer well before that became an issue. Now it's in sodas, some soups, desserts, etc.,etc.
post #20 of 118
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
IMO, it would make more sense to ban high-fructose corn syrup, or at least require HFC to have a warning label My urologist warned me about HFC way back in '92 - he told me that it was developed as a cheap, fast way to put weight on meat animals & it had adverse effect on study mammals, but the original food-critters were to be through the slaughterhouse & on the shelf or in the freezer well before that became an issue. Now it's in sodas, some soups, desserts, etc.,etc.
now there is a ban for me... it is also in bread , peanut butter( some " natural" ones too)
post #21 of 118
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My two favorite examples of the insanity (imo) of how our food is now handled, finding (several years ago) that plain frozen french fries had dextrose added in a local store brand, and that Morton's salt has sugar added (just check the ingredients list). That was when I switched to sea salt. If I want sugar, I'll have an appropriate amount in an appropriate food, don't add it to my salt or potatoes!
post #22 of 118
Yeah, cuz fat people just shouldn't eat, and goodness knows they couldn't have any friends or a romantic life where they might want to go out to eat even on a special occassion. Let's just ban all food for fat people - dammit that'll get 'em slimmed down!
post #23 of 118
I can see my overweight self marching off to the state-authorized doctor to get my BMI card to see if I could go out to eat or not!

I guess to be fair everyone would have to have their state-authorized doctor's BMI card. Or maybe we could just get it done when we renew out driver's licenses?

On the other hand, there is a law here in California, that bartenders cannot serve anyone who is noticeably tipsy. Of course they are a danger on the road.
post #24 of 118
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
Why don't they try passing a bill that makes restaurants server LOW SODIUM, LOW FAT food, desserts where the sugar doesn't outweight the rest of the ingrediants, and SMALLER portions.

Preventing obese individuals from being served only deters them for a little bit, not long term. Americans are now in the habit of eating out 1-3 days a week on average. Maybe if the food is served nutrionally then we could curb the obesity rate.
SOOOOO agreed!
post #25 of 118
The nanny state continues expanding. I have no problem with children's services investigating a situation with small children who are obese. I know there are situations where it is a medical condition or a reaction to certain necessary medications but many times it is poor parenting. Small children aren't responsible for themselves, adults are responsible for them. Adults are responsible for themselves, the government can't take responsibility for their weight problem.
post #26 of 118
As with an alcoholic, no one makes you eat or drink anything if you are an adult. You are in control, and you know the risks and will suffer the consequences.

Children, that's another story. Someone can tell them not to eat all that crap. Should be the parents, and as we all know the schools have stepped in and tried to assist.
post #27 of 118
You know, this could be totally out in left field, but I've been beginning to wonder the following: if we're going to legislate anything based on the obesity epidemic, why don't we legislate a significantly shorter workweek, national healthcare and a living wage for all American workers? Personally, doing the above seem a lot less Big Brother-ish than telling people what they can and cannot eat.

The heathcare is pretty self-explanatory, by the way, but a short explanation of the other two: In Chicago, recent studies have shown that poor (and predominantly black, but that is neither here nor there) neighborhoods generally do not have a store that sells produce. Stores that sell produce (like Jewel or Dominick's or whatever) refuse to invest in these areas for a variety of reasons, and produce can often be far more expensive than convenience foods. If everyone earned enough money to make basic ends meet, perhaps that would level the playing field and people could afford high-quality food. It's also related to...

A shorter workweek. I think that one of the biggest reasons people don't eat healthfully is because they simply don't have the time to sit down and eat a meal, let alone get to the gym and/or prepare a balanced meal for themselves. I think more and more Americans eat in their cars or at their desks because we're all running around like crazy people, often with more than job or a job we need to put 80 hours a week in at to make ends meet. If we had a system in which we all worked a maximum of 30 hours a week and still made a living wage, we'd all be more healthy on so many levels. Think about it: less depression, less stress, more time for our families and relationships and more time to stay healthy. It seems to be working for France, after all. Granted, it would take a few generations for us to calm the heck down and lose this silly puritanical work ethic we've been nursing for 250 years, but hey. It's (healthy and organic) food for thought
post #28 of 118
I think people have to much leisure time on their hands now.
post #29 of 118
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Originally Posted by CDubbie View Post
Restaurants not serving them won't help, even if it did pass. They can always go the food store, or call for delivery and have their average weight family members meet the door. Seriously....unreal.


i agree!
post #30 of 118
This is ridiculous. We need to stamp out frivolous laws and frivolous lawsuits. I'm starting to think it's our country's focus on weight (whether it's super-skinny models that represent a very small % of our population, or the obese) that causes many of these issues!

I'm so tired of our legislators deciding what we should or should not be responsible for in our own lives. What next? The pantry gestapo?
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