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Is it me or is this very Wrong?!!

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I was hoping to post this under "IMO" but I cant seem to do so.. so im posting it here. Im not sure if this was already talked about, if so let me know.. I just found the Article and it has me in shock!! Please tell me what you think!

In my Personal Opinion.. I think the Girl should be in the Fault ((I think I said that right))... I just cant see why the Guys getting charged for almost everything and the girl isnt being charged with anything!!

http://phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-01-2...ng-driver/full
post #2 of 22
What a shame. The legal system astounds me sometimes.
post #3 of 22
WOW!

What a mess!

Just goes to show you..
MONEY TALKS...B.S. Walks
post #4 of 22
That's the United States for ya. Money gets you everywhere. That's why I wanted to be a defense attorney at one point :P
post #5 of 22
she should be charged for being drunk.
he was gulity of making a illegal u-turn.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
he was gulity of making a illegal u-turn.
Actually no it was a Legal U-Turn.. the only thing he should have been charged with was leaving the Scene of an Accident. The girl shouldv been charged with everything he got charged for plus more.
post #7 of 22
wow u-turn are legal there? oh well each state is different.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
she should be charged for being drunk.
he was gulity of making a illegal u-turn.
Actually, the area he was making the u-turn was an area where it was permitted. The one thing he really did wrong was fleeing the scene. For that, yes, he should pay, but manslaughter? My sister was initially charged with manslaughter when her extremely drunk boyfriend jumped on the back of her truck, screaming obscenities and vowing to kill her, then passed out and fell off... landing on his head and dying from internal bleeding. Fortunately, the DA came to her senses after filing the initial charges and dropped that one (the others stuck, but her minor compared to that).

But from what I'm gathering, AZ and that particular area are notorious for their *ahem* racial tendencies... a shame, really... I think most of us would have hoped that we've gotten beyond this cr** long ago...

I hope the DA and his cronies see the error of their idiotic ways (and beyond the election cash they may get from the girls' parents) and charge the little brat with vehicular manslaughter...

I'm trying to behave here... really... but I know this will and should get moved to IMO...

A.
post #9 of 22
Wow, that is absolutely horrible. I wonder if the girl feels any remorse at all.
post #10 of 22
You know it truly astounds me...
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
she should be charged for being drunk.
he was gulity of making a illegal u-turn.
he was only guilty of fleeing a scene of a crime, the u-turn he made was permitted in that area and not illegal.

what a shame, just awful...
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by RubSluts'Mommy View Post
But from what I'm gathering, AZ and that particular area are notorious for their *ahem* racial tendencies... a shame, really... I think most of us would have hoped that we've gotten beyond this cr** long ago...
Yep, we Arizonans are horrible racists, best if everybody stay away as it might be catchy (seriously - please - stay away).


I think it would help everybody get beyond the cr** if people would quit labeling everybody by their race, gender and social status. Not every injustice is the result of some __ism like rag newspapers such as the New Times like to imply. JMHO YMMV
post #13 of 22
The girl murdered her friend and ruined the life of the man that was charged.
post #14 of 22
Is the case about money? Yes. What one isn't? But there isn't much suggesting it has to do with race. He made a lot of mistakes initially (like admitting to DUI even if he was not legally DUI-ing) and says even he thought it was his fault initially.

It doesn't reflect well on their police department, but it isn't necessarily racist.
post #15 of 22
This local newspaper article frames this situation in terms of race and class It could have been written in a more even-handed way.

Clearly the police and district attorney's office need to backpedal and sort this out in a fairer way.

I really hope this guy gets a fairer hearing.
post #16 of 22
Ok, here is how I see it. Without seeing this particular intersection or area where this accident had occurred, it can be difficult to say who is at fault. However, I have driven in areas of Ohio, where you are alowed to do U turns and it is no different than if you were at an intersection with a stop sign. You, the person making the U turn, has to make sure the area/intersection is clear, before making that turn. Same as if you were at a stop sign, at a 4 way intersection, where the cross road does not have to stop. Before you continue on, you must make sure the intersection is clear, whether at the stop sign or making a legal U turn. In either case, the U turn or stop sign, if you proceed and hit another car YOU, the one making the U turn or going through the stop sign, are at fault. The other traffic had the right of way. So, from what I can tell by reading this article, the guy IS at fault for making the turn, without making sure he could do it safely. The excuse, I just didn't see the other vehicle, is no excuse, unless perhaps it was at night and the other vehicle did not have the head lights on. So yes, from what I can tell by reading this article, he is at fault for not yielding to the right of way of on coming traffic and also leaving the scene of an accident. Yes, since someone died, he can be charged with vehicular manslaughter. In most cases though, even though he can face 21 years in jail, most of that time will be dropped. Now, is the girl also at fault? Well, she is at fault for a few things here. DUI and underage consumption. But, who is really at fault for causing the accident? You can argue and say that well, if the girl wasn't intoxicated, she wouldn't have had this accident. But is this true? If she wasn't drunk and was at the same place at the same time and this accident still occurred, who is at fault? From what I read in this article, it would have been the guy's fault for pulling into that intersection without making sure it was safe to do so. With that said, the girl still needs to be charged with DUI and under age consumption.
post #17 of 22
from what I understand (at least in CA) you are automatically at fault if you are DUI. period.
again this may vary from state, but I think the real travesty is that this poor man is being charged to the gills and this girl is walking away scot-free, and beyond that... what about the girl who died? what about her family? I would be interested to see how this develops and what their opinion is on this.
post #18 of 22
Okay, just adding my two cents!

The guy was making a legal u-turn, she was driving behind him, swerved over and managed to hit his bumper anyhoot, because she was following too closely behind him! There was no on coming traffic to talk about! She wasn't on the other side of the road, she was behind him. Therefore, I do believe that she should be help partially responsible, following to closely is illigal also.
He shouldn't have fled the scene and I do believe he should be held responsible for that, you dont watch a car roll over again and again and then drive away, thats just not right. So I think he should be charged with fleeing the scene of an accident, but not much more than that.
post #19 of 22
Ok, so I read the article again and I see I missed an important part. I guess I shouldn't have read the article during the night when I can not sleep. For some reason, I thought the girl was traveling on the side of the road he was turning onto. This would have made him totally at fault, yet the girl should still be charged with OVI. However, I read the article again and see that she was BEHIND him and swerved to miss hitting his vehicle, while he was making the turn. This changes everything. He is only guilty for leaving the scene, the girl needs to be charged with OVI, under age consumption and vehicular manslaughter.
post #20 of 22
Both parties are at fault, IMO. The girl was not only driving DUI but allowed her passenger to ride in the vehicle without a seatbelt The victim's mother has filed "wrongful death" civil suits against both drivers....sad situation, so many victims including the witnesses and defendant's family.
Is partying at the river that great IF it's so much fun, why the need to be so blitzed in order to "enjoy" it???
post #21 of 22
Wow! I hope they can get it all sorted out....
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
Both parties are at fault, IMO. The girl was not only driving DUI but allowed her passenger to ride in the vehicle without a seatbelt The victim's mother has filed "wrongful death" civil suits against both drivers....sad situation, so many victims including the witnesses and defendant's family.
How are both sides at fault? You explained how the girls in the car are at fault, but not the other said which would be the man in the other car.
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