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Who do you like on the other side?

post #1 of 30
1/27/08 at 4:58pm
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My husband and I were talking about this while watch some more of the political coverage of the presidential primaries.

Honestly, I still haven't decided who to vote for in our Primary (Super Tuesday, but I will be voting early due to scheduled surgery on that day). But I do know who I like more on the Democrat side - Barak Obama. If there has to be a Democrat President in the White House for the next term, I would much rather have him than Hillary. I don't trust her, I really dislike the way she and Bill are tagteaming Obama with Bill being the one to sling more mud so there isn't so much splashback on Hillary, and she has been one of the politicians who has been influential in creating, maintaining and furthering the divide between the two parties. While I disagree with Obama on many issues (I'm more of a social libertarian, so tend to side more with the Dems on those issues, but for different reasons), I think that he would be more apt to bridge the gap and actually accomplish something that would be beneficial for the country.

So who would you like to see get the nomination on the other side? Would you rather have someone you think your candidate could beat (I think Hillary could be more easily beat in the general election than Barak), or someone you would be able to accept as President if your candidate/party is beaten?
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post #2 of 30
1/27/08 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
So who would you like to see get the nomination on the other side? Would you rather have someone you think your candidate could beat (I think Hillary could be more easily beat in the general election than Barak), or someone you would be able to accept as President if your candidate/party is beaten?
I can't vote in the Primary and I don't really like any of the choices so I don't have much to say about that part of your question. As for Hillary being easier to beat than Barak, you're probably right but what if she gets the nomination and then chooses him as her running mate? I think that ticket would be unbeatable. Hopefully if Barak gets the nomination he will be smart enough not to choose Hillary as his running mate though. He could suddenly have a little accident.
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post #3 of 30
1/27/08 at 5:31pm
If I were to vote off sided, I would hope that it would be for Obama. And when the general election comes up, depending on who the Republicans end up with, I may just have to do the off sided thing
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post #4 of 30
1/27/08 at 8:15pm
My vote - (though LONG after super Tuesday) is Obama. Clinton is ALL about special interest groups and corporations - and considering our current economy, the last thing we need is another buddy of special interest groups. I might also add that I don't think Clinton would win the general election.
As for Republicans, well - I am not sure...I guess McCain? I can't say that I am a big fan of Romney, and I am not a fan of Huckabee.
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post #5 of 30
1/28/08 at 4:15am
I don't know which 'side' I am on anymore. I used to consider myself a Republican but after the Neo-cons, the evangelicals, and the big spenders took over I don't consider myself a part of either party. The only one running that I like is Barak Obama because I think he is the only one who might be able to work with people from both parties and maybe get something done besides just spending huge amounts of money and getting nothing in return for it. Ohio's primary is really late though and the Clintons and their dirty games may already have the nomination sewn up by then. On the Republican side I guess it would be McCain even though I have never really been a McCain fan. He has been able to work with Democrats on legislation while in the Senate though.
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post #6 of 30
1/28/08 at 5:13am
I find myself looking more at Obama. I just can't think of another Clinton in the White House.

As a republican I haven't been able to warm up to Romney or any of the other candidates so I'm not sure who has my vote tomorrow.
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post #7 of 30
1/28/08 at 6:11am
I more closely identify with Democrat candidates so I usually vote that way, and Obama is my guy If I had to vote GOP, I would hope McCain was on the ticket
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post #8 of 30
1/28/08 at 8:10am
Obama, I guess.
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post #9 of 30
1/28/08 at 10:11am
Obama if i have to choose someone. I would normally consider myself a Republican- but i don't vote straight on the party lines. If there's someone i like better that's a Dem or Ind. i'll happily vote for them if i think they'll do a better job. At the moment though i like Huckaby and he'll probably have my vote.
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post #10 of 30
1/28/08 at 10:14am
Depending on who is my party's nomination (Repub.) if I have to choose the other side, then it would be Obama. I could trust him the best to run the country Right now I"m hoping Huckabee gets it, but would be comfortable enough with McCain or Romney.

NO Guilani!

I'm wondering after the Florida primary if he loses really bad and is in the bottom of the heap, if he will just give up and go back to NY. Right now he's running 4th.
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post #11 of 30
1/28/08 at 10:25am
I'm now registered as a Democrat, thanks to Bush and the neocons, and really haven't decided whom to vote for in my state's closed primary. If I were to vote GOP in the general election, it would have to be McCain, or Giuliani, though I doubt the latter will be part of the ticket.
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post #12 of 30
1/28/08 at 1:52pm
I'd go with Huckabee, as I like alot of what he did as Governor of Arkansas. I haven't had enough time to review the others.
I am so disappointed that both John Kerry and the Kennedys are backing Obama. So is Sen. Kerry telling us that he made a mistake in running with John Edwards? Guess we dodged a bullet by not putting those in office
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post #13 of 30
1/28/08 at 3:36pm
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,
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post #14 of 30
1/28/08 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,

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post #15 of 30
1/28/08 at 5:20pm
I was a liberal (a turn I used to describe myself) Democrat until just after Clinton's first term. You can credit him directly for my change to voting Republican often (I have and will continue to vote for the best person for the job imo, regardless of their political party affiliation).

I am not enthusiastic about any of the fellows still running on the Republican side and there is no one on the Democrat side I am comfortable with (oh how I wish Senator Liberman were running...).

I have a *very* strong gut feeling/premonition as to who will win, and am scared to death as to what will happen to this country if it comes to pass. So I will now be reading a lot more of their press releases to learn more specifics about how they'll handle the economy and national safety, as I want to know more about what's coming.
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post #16 of 30
1/28/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,


Predicitions are out that Edwards will drop out soonafter losing in his home state of SC, and Guiliani needs to win in FL to stay alive.
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post #17 of 30
1/28/08 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
I will do like his mom said and hold my nose to vote for him if I have to.
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post #18 of 30
1/29/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,
Does that mean you now consider yourself a "moderate"? Hillary has moved to the right since she began serving as a senator - I wonder if that will help, or hurt her?

Giuliani has surrounded himself with neocon advisers, and I think that ploy is going to backfire. He's too liberal for most conservatives regarding social issues, but his ideas about increasing "national security" are going to cost him votes among those middle-of-the-roaders who don't like Bush's "1984" tactics.

Those factors might very well land Obama in the White House.
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post #19 of 30
1/29/08 at 12:48pm
Of all the republican candidates, McCain seems to be the best but it really bothers me that he has flip-flopped his views so much over the years. He used to be far more moderate but started leaning far to the right when he was pressured by his party. It's very telling that the republican party is so fragmented right now that they have allowed him to get as far as he has. 4 years ago they tried to bury him. Unless he restores his moderate ideals, I couldn't vote for him. But I also couldn't vote for any of the other republicans right now. Guiliani: still selling himself over his role in 9/11. Huckabee: it scares me that he doesn't believe in evolution.

On the dem side: Edwards is about to drop out. Doesn't surprise me that other dems are aligning themselves behind either Clinton or Obama. The Clintons have the background and contacts to do a great job, but the Clinton name is so hated that her usefullness in office would be hampered - she'll never get over her name. People are already out to get her and she hasn't won anything yet. Obama is fresh, and a lot of people like him. He could bridge the partisan barrier. My biggest fear is that some racist will try to kill him.
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post #20 of 30
1/29/08 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Since McCain is really on the other side, i will go with him,
In that spirit, I choose Hilary. Though it's a stretch to say I 'like' her!

As far as actual republicans go; if any one of the serious candidates would quit pandering to people who think we should be a theocracy, I'd almost consider it. That is the #1 reason I don't like McCain.
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post #21 of 30
1/29/08 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Of all the republican candidates, McCain seems to be the best but it really bothers me that he has flip-flopped his views so much over the years. He used to be far more moderate but started leaning far to the right when he was pressured by his party. It's very telling that the republican party is so fragmented right now that they have allowed him to get as far as he has. 4 years ago they tried to bury him. Unless he restores his moderate ideals, I couldn't vote for him. But I also couldn't vote for any of the other republicans right now. Guiliani: still selling himself over his role in 9/11. Huckabee: it scares me that he doesn't believe in evolution.

On the dem side: Edwards is about to drop out. Doesn't surprise me that other dems are aligning themselves behind either Clinton or Obama. The Clintons have the background and contacts to do a great job, but the Clinton name is so hated that her usefullness in office would be hampered - she'll never get over her name. People are already out to get her and she hasn't won anything yet. Obama is fresh, and a lot of people like him. He could bridge the partisan barrier. My biggest fear is that some racist will try to kill him.
Amy, that's pretty much my analysis, so I'm really wondering if an Independent like Bloomberg will sweep in in August/September, and actually get elected?
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post #22 of 30
1/29/08 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Amy, that's pretty much my analysis, so I'm really wondering if an Independent like Bloomberg will sweep in in August/September, and actually get elected?
If Obama wins the democratic side, I think he'll win by a landslide. If it comes down to Clinton versus McCain, then an independent could influence the outcome, but I doubt that an independent would ever actually win the election.
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post #23 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:01pm
I've always been a registered independent.

I honestly don't like any of the candidates. Seems like we keep having to choose between bad and worse. I am hoping beyond reality that an independent will show up like Ross Perot did. I really liked Ross Perot, mostly because he was no nonsense, straight talking, didn't need to appease anyone for campaign money, and intelligent. He could have been an excellent commander and chief.

I also really liked Wesley Clark. I don't know why the Dems discarded him so early on last election. Nice middle of the road, intelligent, straight forward get things done leader.

On the Democratic side I will probably end up with Obama, though I don't think he is quite ready. Like MomofMany, I too worry some racist creep will try to assassinate him.

On the republican side I don't think I can pick one. I have never been a McCain fan, he flip/flops worse that Kerry or Hilary. I can't vote for any candidate that feels their religion should be injected into our government, so Huckabee is out. Romney, just gives me the creeps. I know bad reason. I am going to have to research him more.

Bottom line, I can't in good conscience vote for anyone who is too far off from center in either direction. Bush promised to be the "great uniter" and has failed miserably. We really do need someone who can get around the partisanship.
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post #24 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by kittymonsters View Post
Romney, just gives me the creeps. I know bad reason.
He reminds of of a greasy used-car salesman. Like he'll say anything to get elected. He was liberal enough for the voters of Massachusetts to elect him, but now wants to be the ultra-conservative. One or the other is dishonest, and I don't know which one. I don't trust him.
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post #25 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:27pm
Well, everyone who picked Edwards or Guiliani is out.... please select again.... oh wait, none of us really wanted either of them for our "other side" picks.....

I am disheartened that Ted Kennedy is backing Obama. That taints him IMO. Kennedy is out there somewhere I don't wanna be.... his role in trying to push through the immigration reform that NO ONE wanted scared the HECK outta me....
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post #26 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
I am disheartened that Ted Kennedy is backing Obama. That taints him IMO. Kennedy is out there somewhere I don't wanna be.... his role in trying to push through the immigration reform that NO ONE wanted scared the HECK outta me....
I'm sorry to say that it appears whoever we get stuck with, we can expect amnesty for the Illegals.
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post #27 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:50pm
I have no idea who I would vote for. I was looking to see which candidates supported/opposed the same things I did and I couldn't find one who I aligned with. If I was going to vote Democrat it would probably be Obama. I'm not sure about the Republicans. Romney lied about NRA support when he ran for governor, McCain is a weasel (no offense to weasels of the furry variety intended). I guess I'll have a look at the independents. Over 200 years and we still only two major parties...

I'm a member of the National Rifle Association.
I support maintining a strong military (by that I mean providing them with the means to ensure quality training to maintain readiness, provide them with the proper equipment to do whatever task is asked of them and for an increase in the size of the military).
I support tightening up the borders. I don't support amnesty for illegals.
I'm undecided about a government run national healthcare system. My gf is Scottish and all I see is her getting a run around, waiting lists and no results.
I'm for clamping down on the oil and energy industry so they provide fuel at more reasonable prices. We need more refineries.
I want to see NAFTA repealed.
I'd like to a better job done of combatting pollution.
Less of the federal government is a good thing.
Trim spending, stop wasting money on things that don't benefit the country, cut programs and departments that serve no purpose.
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post #28 of 30
1/30/08 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
He reminds of of a greasy used-car salesman. Like he'll say anything to get elected. He was liberal enough for the voters of Massachusetts to elect him, but now wants to be the ultra-conservative. One or the other is dishonest, and I don't know which one. I don't trust him.
As I was watching the Florida returns yesterday, I couldn't help but think how plastic he looked. His real name is Willard. Does that mean he lost last night by a whisker?
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post #29 of 30
1/31/08 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
He reminds of of a greasy used-car salesman. Like he'll say anything to get elected. He was liberal enough for the voters of Massachusetts to elect him, but now wants to be the ultra-conservative. One or the other is dishonest, and I don't know which one. I don't trust him.

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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
As I was watching the Florida returns yesterday, I couldn't help but think how plastic he looked. His real name is Willard. Does that mean he lost last night by a whisker?
I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way. I hate when I get such a strong instinctual reaction about someone. I can't explain it to others, but I learned long ago to always trust my instinct.

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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
I am disheartened that Ted Kennedy is backing Obama. That taints him IMO. Kennedy is out there somewhere I don't wanna be.... his role in trying to push through the immigration reform that NO ONE wanted scared the HECK outta me....
Funny, because I though the same thing about Ted Kennedy backing Obama. I have different reasons though. If Obama is the candidate for change I don't want any of the "old gaurd" of either side going to bat for him. That is a taint IMO
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post #30 of 30
1/31/08 at 6:31pm
On the other side? Well, I cannot stand Romney or Huckabee and would rather dunk my head in acid than vote for them, we'll go with McCain. I don't like him. But he doesn't make my stomach lurch in the way the others do.

Obama's got my vote in the primary, but, I'm a Chicago Dem. So, it nearly goes without saying.
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