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WARNING: Intolerance in Threads

post #1 of 136
1/25/08 at 10:43pm
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Friends, from time to time a thread gets pulled from the board for moderator review, for one issue or another. At the moment there are two being reviewed. Each issue relates in some way to this statement from the TCS rules...
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We are a worldwide forum and therefore a mix of different cultures, races and religions; there is always room for different opinions, however, intolerance, bigotry, and religious ridicule will not be tolerated.
And while this statement refers specifically to cultures, races and religions, these are not the only areas where we will see differences, and need to exercise tolerance. Sexual orientation comes to mind.



It has been determined that one of those threads will not be returning to the board, as it is in direct violation of that statement, and would require too much editing in order to be acceptable.

The other? We'll see.

The point of this message is that there has been a need to post that statement about tolerance several times in the last few days, and everyone who wishes to post in this forum needs to take it to heart. You agreed to the TCS rules when you signed up, and you waited until you were an Adult Cat to be permitted to post in this forum. Posting privileges can and will be withdrawn if that rule continues to be ignored.
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post #2 of 136
1/27/08 at 9:41am
Giving this a bump!
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post #3 of 136
1/27/08 at 11:30am
TBH I've never seen what you have described take place on these forums.
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post #4 of 136
1/27/08 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
TBH I've never seen what you have described take place on these forums.
me, either, but i often don't even open threads if i think they'll be a problem for me.
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post #5 of 136
1/27/08 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
TBH I've never seen what you have described take place on these forums.
Same here...but then again, I dont frequent in here very often.....
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post #6 of 136
1/27/08 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
TBH I've never seen what you have described take place on these forums.
As Fran mentioned above, there are currently two threads that were pulled from the board for these very reasons. Unfortunately it does happen and more so lately.
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post #7 of 136
1/27/08 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
TBH I've never seen what you have described take place on these forums.
This site is pretty much closely moderated (in the opinion of some, "overmoderated", but not surprisingly, the people who've expressed that opinion have had posts removed or edited), so posts or threads may have been removed or edited before you had an opportunity to see them.

There has been some trouble with intolerant posts recently, which is why the rules have been posted in some threads, and this particular thread started.
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post #8 of 136
1/27/08 at 12:27pm
I am glad I didnt see it either. Years ago I had a problem in a Chat Room when Patches died on Thanksgiving 1998. This guy came in with the name Icatkiller and he said im glad Patches died. All Cats should die and he was tossed but kept coming back. I never Chat at that place anymore but my friend does and she said its still terrible. They need more Hosts and Moderators there. I am glad this forum is Moderated and checked.
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post #9 of 136
1/27/08 at 1:25pm
The mods here rock!

You guys do a great job, especially in the IMO. It may be a lot of work on your part, but I think by keeping up on the threads, you prevent a lot of bad mouthing.
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post #10 of 136
1/27/08 at 2:26pm
I have seen a few or some comments that would go in a very bad direction. Thank you for removing them.
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post #11 of 136
1/27/08 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
The mods here rock!

You guys do a great job, especially in the IMO. It may be a lot of work on your part, but I think by keeping up on the threads, you prevent a lot of bad mouthing.
we need to play nice
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post #12 of 136
1/27/08 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
The mods here rock!

You guys do a great job, especially in the IMO. It may be a lot of work on your part, but I think by keeping up on the threads, you prevent a lot of bad mouthing.

Yeah!
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post #13 of 136
1/27/08 at 5:21pm
I think the mods here do a great job AND the forum is set up in such a way that things stay civilized. Having a subforum like this where any topic is ok is a huge risk and one that most forums would not want to take. I don't have a lot going on with my cat so honestly I check in on what is up with this forum frequently. I value the discussions I've had, enjoy those where I have read but not contributed. Sorry to read that things are getting out of hand, it seems to me in the air lately. I'm sure it'll get back on track!
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post #14 of 136
1/27/08 at 7:01pm
I know one of the threads that was pulled and I approve. When a person solely believes that their beliefs are the only ones that are correct and can't be open-minded towards others that is when a thread can get nasty and should be discontinued.

The mods are great here. Keep up the good work!
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post #15 of 136
1/27/08 at 8:07pm
I am aware of one of the threads pulled - and I am glad to see it The mods were right to do so. THANKS!!
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post #16 of 136
1/28/08 at 5:38am
You guys do a great job; I know it's hard work
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post #17 of 136
1/28/08 at 10:53am
This forum is not overmoderated. I've been to forums where each post is read by a mod before being posted. I call THAT overmoderation.

You mods do a good job. Mod power!
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post #18 of 136
1/28/08 at 11:01am
Keep up the good work Mods! The Cat Site is a friendly & a happy place
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post #19 of 136
1/28/08 at 11:56am
Just thought I'd chime in: I agree that the mods do a great job here. It is very easy for threads to get out of hand. People's emotions, egos, whatever, sometimes get the best of them.

Thanks for all the hard work mods!
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post #20 of 136
1/28/08 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Duchess15 View Post
When a person solely believes that their beliefs are the only ones that are correct and can't be open-minded towards others that is when a thread can get nasty and should be discontinued.
Regarding this particular comment - I could rattle off a short list of names of posters in IMO that fit this description to a "t," yet their posts don't get pulled, or if they do, it's rare.

Threads can go on for pages and pages with these posters repeating their closed-minded comments over and over again, so I'm personally a bit confused by THIS thread.

I have absolutely no idea which threads were pulled or what comments on what topics caused them to be pulled, but I see intolerance for others' beliefs and opinions in IMO threads ALL the time.

I absolutely think that this rule should stand for TCS in general, but shouldn't there be a little more "tolerance" for such "intolerance" in the IMO section, at least? After all, it IS about opinions, and we all have different ones. Even those people whose opinions are offensive to me have the right to have their opinion and to state it.
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post #21 of 136
1/28/08 at 12:25pm
I don't come to this forum often, but I have to say that I am glad for the mods on this site. I feel safe to post and have never felt attacked by anyone. I think when people are new it is espeically important because they may be reaching out for help and the saftey that TCS hold is of great value.
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post #22 of 136
1/28/08 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Gingersmom
Regarding this particular comment - I could rattle off a short list of names of posters in IMO that fit this description to a "t," yet their posts don't get pulled, or if they do, it's rare.

Threads can go on for pages and pages with these posters repeating their closed-minded comments over and over again, so I'm personally a bit confused by THIS thread.

I have absolutely no idea which threads were pulled or what comments on what topics caused them to be pulled, but I see intolerance for others' beliefs and opinions in IMO threads ALL the time.

I absolutely think that this rule should stand for TCS in general, but shouldn't there be a little more "tolerance" for such "intolerance" in the IMO section, at least? After all, it IS about opinions, and we all have different ones. Even those people whose opinions are offensive to me have the right to have their opinion and to state it.
They do. The point isn't that people aren't entitled to their opinions, but that with such a diverse community, it is especially important that they be expressed in a tolerant manner. There have been more times lately than usual that this was not the case.

If there are comments you think should be pulled, you do have the Report Post button at your disposal -- and since we can't be everywhere, and don't all read a given comment the same way, we encourage you to use it any time you see a problem. For anyone who hasn't made its acquaintance yet, it's the just to the right of the post number. Click on it and describe the problem you see, and let us handle it.
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post #23 of 136
1/28/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Regarding this particular comment - I could rattle off a short list of names of posters in IMO that fit this description to a "t," yet their posts don't get pulled, or if they do, it's rare.

Threads can go on for pages and pages with these posters repeating their closed-minded comments over and over again, so I'm personally a bit confused by THIS thread.

I have absolutely no idea which threads were pulled or what comments on what topics caused them to be pulled, but I see intolerance for others' beliefs and opinions in IMO threads ALL the time.

I absolutely think that this rule should stand for TCS in general, but shouldn't there be a little more "tolerance" for such "intolerance" in the IMO section, at least? After all, it IS about opinions, and we all have different ones. Even those people whose opinions are offensive to me have the right to have their opinion and to state it.
I'd actually decided to not respond to your post, but have given it consideration, and probably I should respond. I've been a teacher for well over two and a half decades, and my students have always been teenagers and twenty-somethings, just the ages when it's usual to "push the envelope", so I tend to allow people to express their opinions, even when I don't agree with them.

However, when posts or threads show a failure to respect others' beliefs or opinions, and denigrate an entire group of people, I feel that I have to intervene. Disagreement is acceptable, but belittlement isn't. It's a thin line, and those who cross it will find that their posts are edited or deleted, because they lacked finesse, or had an obvious "agenda".

There's no such thing as 100% objectivity, but many of us have enough lifetime experience to distinguish between differences of opinion, and pure nastiness
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post #24 of 136
1/28/08 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Regarding this particular comment - I could rattle off a short list of names of posters in IMO that fit this description to a "t," yet their posts don't get pulled, or if they do, it's rare.

Threads can go on for pages and pages with these posters repeating their closed-minded comments over and over again, so I'm personally a bit confused by THIS thread.

I have absolutely no idea which threads were pulled or what comments on what topics caused them to be pulled, but I see intolerance for others' beliefs and opinions in IMO threads ALL the time.

I absolutely think that this rule should stand for TCS in general, but shouldn't there be a little more "tolerance" for such "intolerance" in the IMO section, at least? After all, it IS about opinions, and we all have different ones. Even those people whose opinions are offensive to me have the right to have their opinion and to state it.
I've seen posts here and there that seem ok for the most part, but there was one I was reading through where the posts just turned ugly. I think maybe this thread is just a reminder that even though we all may have different beliefs we still need to respect each other.

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Originally Posted by rapunzel47 View Post
They do. The point isn't that people aren't entitled to their opinions, but that with such a diverse community, it is especially important that they be expressed in a tolerant manner. There have been more times lately than usual that this was not the case.

If there are comments you think should be pulled, you do have the Report Post button at your disposal -- and since we can't be everywhere, and don't all read a given comment the same way, we encourage you to use it any time you see a problem. For anyone who hasn't made its acquaintance yet, it's the just to the right of the post number. Click on it and describe the problem you see, and let us handle it.
I always forget about that button.
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post #25 of 136
1/28/08 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
However, when posts or threads show a failure to respect others' beliefs or opinions, and denigrate an entire group of people, I feel that I have to intervene. Disagreement is acceptable, but belittlement isn't. It's a thin line, and those who cross it will find that their posts are edited or deleted, because they lacked finesse, or had an obvious "agenda".

There's no such thing as 100% objectivity, but many of us have enough lifetime experience to distinguish between differences of opinion, and pure nastiness
But starting a thread with the words "I swear Fundamentalist Christians are the most bigoted group of people" isn't determined to be disrespectful and denigrating to an entire group of people. Hmph. Imagine that.

<Thinking this isn't going to win me any brownie points is it? lol>
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post #26 of 136
1/28/08 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
But starting a thread with the words "I swear Fundamentalist Christians are the most bigoted group of people" isn't determined to be disrespectful and denigrating to an entire group of people. Hmph. Imagine that.

<Thinking this isn't going to win me any brownie points is it? lol>
I agree especially as an opening post that will have people post in reply to it, however, I tend not to report anything in IMO because there is a big warning when you start posting in the forum that people will disagree in it. I also believe that however I may disagree with someone's opinion and even if I feel it is ignorant or bigoted - people died to give us the right to have an opinion and if that is how they feel (and are not trolls just looking for a reaction) they are as entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

If I don't like it I close the thread and don't read it again
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post #27 of 136
1/28/08 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
I agree especially as an opening post that will have people post in reply to it, however, I tend not to report anything in IMO because there is a big warning when you start posting in the forum that people will disagree in it. I also believe that however I may disagree with someone's opinion and even if I feel it is ignorant or bigoted - people died to give us the right to have an opinion and if that is how they feel (and are not trolls just looking for a reaction) they are as entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

If I don't like it I close the thread and don't read it again
Yes, see, that's exactly how I see it. No one is forcing ANYONE to read a thread, or even a post in a thread - that IGNORE function is QUITE handy, and I love having it.

Although I can see what Jcat is saying as well - it appears to be quite a fine line, and one that is extremely subjective.

Again, not having seen the posts that prompted this particular thread, I can't make a judgement call, as I have no idea what caused such offense.

I guess that from now on I will take this to heart and start reporting ALL posts in IMO that are personally offensive to me if I subjectively feel that they have crossed the lines of "intolerance within the diverse community."

Mods be warned - you may be hearing from me much more often!
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post #28 of 136
1/28/08 at 3:07pm
I honestly think that at least someone will find every post offensive and ignorant and every post would be reported if people were to start reporting everything they find ignorant (like Betsy just said)
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post #29 of 136
1/28/08 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
I honestly think that at least someone will find every post offensive and ignorant and every post would be reported if people were to start reporting everything they find ignorant (like Betsy just said)
yea well that part is true, However it almost next to impossable to offened me.

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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
But starting a thread with the words "I swear Fundamentalist Christians are the most bigoted group of people" <Thinking this isn't going to win me any brownie points is it? lol>
which realliy brings me to the its seems to ,me that intolerance will only be accepted when talking about the following groups.
1) christen
2) white people
3) american
4) males.
5) Consertives

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post #30 of 136
1/28/08 at 3:52pm
I always felt like too many times a post I participated in was locked or removed, so I don't really post here anymore. The world seems to be going on just fine for both me and the board, so I think it was probably a good decision. I still like to come by and read a little from a couple of the forums and check to see if I've accumulated enough points to buy a new car or anything.

I've seen really nasty forums and this didn't appear to be one, but then I guess that's the result of diligent moderation.

gonna go build me another snowman...
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