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Clipping ear, spayed, declawing...post #1 of 231/25/08 at 12:35pmThread StarterWouldn't you think that clipping a cats ear, to show that it has been spayed is just as mean as declawing or spaying a kitty? Your taking something away from that cat..... I would love to get peoples veiws on this subject.
TheCatSite.com Top Pickspost #2 of 231/25/08 at 12:45pmI can sort of see your point - but trapping the same cat over and over and transporting this cat that is insanely scared out of its mind to the vet numerous times has got to be much more traumatic for the cat.
The issue with declawing is that it isn't removing a cat's nails. In order to prevent the nail from regrowing, the entire end of the toe from the joint on must be removed in its entirety - and cats walk on their toes. Because the procedure is so traumatic, it considered unnecessary mutilation and is basically illegal in 23 countries around the world. Even the American Veterinary Medical Association does not recommend it unless medically necessary for the cat.
Spaying and Neutering are considered necessary operations. There are many benefits to the cat, including long term health, behavior (if a pet), and it helps prevent more homeless cats - so there are social benefits, unlike declawing, which ONLY benefits the owner, not at all the cat. And while some spay incisions may become infected, there are usually no complications and no long-term problems with spaying and neutering - both of which are problems with declawing.
Ear-tipping is different than both of the above. If you've had your ears pierced, you're aware that there are very few nerve endings in the ear (unlike kitty's very sensitive paw pads/feet). So ear-tipping or notching isn't particularly painful, it heals quickly, and it prevents a feral cat from being transported to a vet more than once for a spay or neuter it's already had.
...and it doesn't affect the cat's hearing, and cats don't walk on their ears.
Lauriepost #3 of 231/25/08 at 12:49pmHere is an excellent thread full of research on declawing, if you'd like to learn more about it.
Lauriepost #4 of 231/26/08 at 7:08amQuote:Ear-tipping is different than both of the above. If you've had your ears pierced, you're aware that there are very few nerve endings in the ear (unlike kitty's very sensitive paw pads/feet). So ear-tipping or notching isn't particularly painful, it heals quickly, and it prevents a feral cat from being transported to a vet more than once for a spay or neuter it's already had.
...and it doesn't affect the cat's hearing, and cats don't walk on their ears.
Lauriepost #5 of 231/26/08 at 7:39amThe ear heals very quickly with a very low risk of infection because it is a tiny open wound in which bacteria are much less likely to multiply. As has been said, it is far more traumatic for a feral cat to be taken to the vet over and over, and there is always a clinical risk with anaesthesia - ear tipping is therefore a preventative measure to protect the long-term welfare of the individual.
The same cannot be said of declawing.
Spaying and neutering are IMO a wise choice with a sound clinical reason for performing the procedures - complete prevention of common and often terminal medical conditions. Declawing has no clinical justification whatsoever.post #6 of 231/26/08 at 7:49amNo I don't. For one, spaying reduces the number of homeless cats that die in streets, from starvation, from disease, etc...So I can't put that even in the same catagory as declawing or tagging the ear.
They tag the ear b/c more often then not these are ferals. It's hard enough to get one trapped sometimes, then to spend all the aggrevation and stress to the animal to drag them to the vets, have them sedated (b/c if it's a feral, it isn't going to sit quietly while they feel the belly for signs of past surgery), thhheeennn to find out that it all could have been avoided by a simple small notch in the ear.
It is small part of a MUCH greater good. And not even remotely the same thing as declawing.post #7 of 231/26/08 at 8:50amBottom line is neutering not only is good for the pet overpopulation, but it is a VERY wise choice for the health of the cat. It prevents cancers, Pyometra, illness spread of uncontrolled breeding, etc. All in the cats best interest with the added benefit of controlling the population.
Declawing has absolutely no benefit to the cat whatsoever (excluding medical reasons). It solely benefits the human who is too lazy to teach the cat to scratch the right places, or buy soft claws to put on the cats claws.
Ear tipping might seem rather mean right off. But as everyone said, rather then repeatedly trapping and bringing the same cat into the vet over and over again and causing all that trauma to the cat while trying to do good, just notch the ear so its plain as day that the cat was neutered and it can be left alone.post #8 of 231/26/08 at 9:32amIn no way is clipping the ear the same as declawing. Declawed cats are mutilated cats. They never walk the same and the healing time is very long. Taking a piece of ear is painful so that's why they do it while they are asleep. It is quite different that removing their bone down to the last digit. Plus by clipping the ear it is very noticeable and you can see it easy without having to mess with (and stress) the cat. You have to look for a tattoo. If the cat is feral don't you think it would stress the cat by trying to handle it to actually see the tattoo?post #9 of 231/26/08 at 10:09pmI dont like the ear clipping, to me it seems unecessary unless you have so many strays you cant tell them apart. For me this isnt the case, I have very few and can tell them apart easily.
I may feel this was because here they basically clipped half the ear off on one of my strays, not the tip like they were supposed to. It looks horrible, was cut unevenly, and the cat seemed annoyed and rubbed it's ear alot. And I told them NOT to do it ahead of time and they did it without my consent. It looks like the ear was butchered to me like how they crop a pitbulls ear so hardly any is left.
And unfortunetly you cant fix that mistake.
Just the tip isnt too bad, but if it can be avoided I avoid doing it.post #10 of 231/26/08 at 10:26pmI am assuming you are talking about cats that are trapped and then altered (the wild kitties); in that case, I am not sure...I guess I would rather have a 'visual' than to keep catching, bringing that cat in and stressing him to check him out. Once altered, and snipped, if they are caught again, the people can just let them go immediately, knowing they have already been altered. Feral cats, true ones, get very stressed in human contact, and just the capture is alot on that poor cat's body! You can't put collars on these animals, because they could get caught on something and strangle...and an ear tag could easily get ripped out as well.
Now for the common pet cat...No...there would be no need to snip his ears to determine whether he is altered or not.
As far as classifying the three things together...I don't
Spaying has more advantages to the animals health than risks
Notching a feral cat's ears...less stress to the cat when he is captured again, because he can simply be let go, rather than have to go to the vet, be sedated (which shortens life too), only to find out he's already been altered.post #11 of 231/26/08 at 11:02pmpost #12 of 231/27/08 at 10:48amI know about that, but still im sure the cat wasnt happy about it, it had to hurt.
And they did an awful job of it on my cat, if they did it right I would feel less guilty.post #13 of 231/27/08 at 10:50ampost #14 of 231/27/08 at 11:05amI'm a guy so no I dont have a piercing.
Like I said the place did it wrong, if they did it right (which would mean they took off less) it wouldnt seem so bad.
I do keep papers of every single stray i've fixed/vaccinated and have photos of each just in case they ever went missing. So at least I have proof I fixed that cat.
If a cat has an ear clipped you dont know from seeing that cat who got it done so it would be hard to track the owner/caretaker down. So if animal control did pick up the cat (for lets says a nuisance complaint or injury) how would they go about finding the caretaker?post #15 of 231/27/08 at 1:50pmThey wouldn't. Animal control in different areas deal with ferals differently. I'm not sure animal control is such a great example, because most ferals just get euthanized if in the hands of animal control.
But where there are multiple colonies and other people involved in TNR, you would know if a cat turned up in one of your traps if it had already been TNRd. That's why we did it - though we did have a number of black males, so it wasn't easy to tell them apart. But there were other people in the area TNRing, so if any of their cats ever turned up in one of our traps, we'd just let it out. It's not an issue of trying to return a feral or find it's caretaker.
Or... if someone down the road saw all these strays and managed to get someone from Alley Cat Allies or a rescue group or a different rescue person to help trap, if any of the cats that had been in our colony were now feeding there, then they'd know right away the cat had already been TNRd.
So for those with lots of animals in a colony, or lots of volunteers working a colony that don't have time to read through pages of animal descriptions - or for areas where there are multiple people or groups working - it's a quick way to identify an already TNRd animal.
Lauriepost #16 of 231/27/08 at 1:52pmOh - and another great example. We moved. We'd adopted out/fostered out all the animals that were left - but a rather large number of them disappeared - so we didn't have any ferals to move. However, if some other cat lover moves in near where we lived and is feeding/trapping, then if any of the ferals we did TNR show up, they'll immediately know they don't need to transport the animal to a vet.
Lauriepost #17 of 231/27/08 at 2:14pmpost #18 of 231/27/08 at 4:17pmSee nobody in my area TNR's, i'm the only one. So it just goes to show even though a cat had its ear clipped it wont make a bit of difference if Animal Control catches it. It has no microchip and nobody here knows I do TNR so they wont know it's one of mine.
Dont even get me started about how so much help is needed in my area...post #19 of 231/29/08 at 8:05amI think the ear clipping it fine (actually, I hadn't even known about it until now). I mean, cats get their ears torn up way worse in fights, at least this is for a purpose and is useful.post #20 of 231/31/08 at 4:36pmQuote:I think the ear clipping it fine (actually, I hadn't even known about it until now). I mean, cats get their ears torn up way worse in fights, at least this is for a purpose and is useful.
Lauriepost #21 of 231/3/16 at 6:31amI have two cats and live out in the country,one is indoor.....she had a litter before we caught her in time for spaying, my other cat is an outdoor, the mother & daughter do not get along at all and the "baby" is just almost wild. She comes insist twice a day to eat and she let's me pet her....but then wants right out again. She was spayed before having any litters.
She came up missing for about 4 days...and returned with a notched ear. I am just so glad she was returned.and I hope it was not too terribly traumatic for her being trapped and notched.post #22 of 231/3/16 at 9:13pmMy current eldest has a clipped ear as she was spayed under a feral program (as were her mother, two aunts and five cousins...it was a long day). She has never had any I'll effects from it and honestly didn't notice. Cut ears are NOT for the owner/trapper, but for the well being of the cat so that people can see from a distance not to bother it as it's already fixed. Normal pets who are not feral are not tipped.
Declawing however is a proven mutilation of a cat that seriously effects it's life, health and happiness. You cannot compare a long reaching amputation to a cut that isn't even noticed.post #23 of 231/3/16 at 9:48pm
I will stand firm. Absolutely no declawing (except for medical necessity). I buy soft claws. Sure I replace them frequenlty, because he chews til they come off. But I'll do that. That's the only way he can stay in my apartment building. He's a year. He doesn't scratch my furniture because he has like 5 scratching posts. When he first came home and started scratching . i used positive reinforcement for using his scratching posts, and a firm "Comet" stops him from scratching anything else. I still say thank you for using your scratching post when he uses it and he's a year. (like he can understand me)
I dont understand ear clipping. Could I just go to WalMart, buy a home ear piercing kit and put a stud in his ear? (j/k)
Spaying/neutering. YES YES YES. Prevent overpopulation, health benefits, and I really don't want someone knocking on my door telling me I'm going to be a grandma thanks to Comet.
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