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Why won't the democrats hold a debate on the FOX newschannel?

post #1 of 26
1/24/08 at 11:08am
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Tonight the Reublican candidates for President are debating on MSNBC, an unabashedly left leaning cable station. They have previously done so, even when the uber-liberal Chris Matthews has been the moderator. Yet the top 3 dem cadidates (Hillary, Obama, and Edwards) are on record as having refused to hold a debate on FOX Newschannel. This the hypocracy at its rankest. Not to mention arrogance. Even if you accept for the sake of argument that FOX is a far right leaning network, aren't the 3 Dem candidates supposed to be running for president for all Americans?; conservative, moderates, and liberals? I would love to have seen the Dems challenged on this, but nobody in the mainstream press could care less about it.
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post #2 of 26
1/24/08 at 11:22am
I think the Democratic candidates are afraid Fox might ask them the hard questions.
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post #3 of 26
1/24/08 at 12:11pm
They probably think, "Why bother? Anybody who watches Fox News isn't going to vote for me, anyway, so why waste precious time?"
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post #4 of 26
1/24/08 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think the Democratic candidates are afraid Fox might ask them the hard questions.
So, what question would you like to see them answer?
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post #5 of 26
1/24/08 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by sbw999 View Post
the uber-liberal Chris Matthews
rofl If he's uber-liberal than what's Al Franken?
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post #6 of 26
1/24/08 at 1:20pm
Well Fox is notorious for being in the republicans back pocket. They have aired very controversial clips and hello Bill O has openly attacked campaign workers for Obama's campaign at least!! I don't blame them for not wanting to debate on Fixed Noise. MSNBC is a pretty good new channel... tons better then FN IMO. They at least check their facts and admit when they are wrong. Did I forget to mention I hate Fox? haha Plus why debate on a network you know none of your voters are watching or willing to watch? When the general election comes around that will be a different story.
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post #7 of 26
1/24/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Plus why debate on a network you know none of your voters are watching or willing to watch? When the general election comes around that will be a different story.
That probably says it all.
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post #8 of 26
1/24/08 at 2:01pm
I think they are wrong about no one who watches Fox would vote for a Democrat. I watch all three of the news networks a little simply because I don't think it is good to watch just one because they all put their own spin on the news. I consider myself a little bit of a traditional conservative in areas other than social issues. I don't think the government can or should try to legislate personal morality. I am not a neo-con though I think that is dangerous thinking and unfortunately George Bush surrounded himself with neo-cons. I don't think there are any candidates that are traditional conservatives running but Obama seems the only candidate that isn't drowning in this take no prisoners partisan thinking that has completely frozen the governments ability to do any thing. By the time Ohio has their primary though the nominee is usually already decided but if not I will be voting for him in the primary. If Hillary is the nominee I may very well just sit this one out because it really won't matter who is elected.
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post #9 of 26
1/24/08 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
rofl If he's uber-liberal than what's Al Franken?
probably his son
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post #10 of 26
1/24/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
That probably says it all.
I highly doubt many viewers of MSNBC would vote for a Republican; yet the repubs debated on that far left network. Next...
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post #11 of 26
1/24/08 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Well Fox is notorious for being in the republicans back pocket. They have aired very controversial clips and hello Bill O has openly attacked campaign workers for Obama's campaign at least!! I don't blame them for not wanting to debate on Fixed Noise. MSNBC is a pretty good new channel... tons better then FN IMO. They at least check their facts and admit when they are wrong. Did I forget to mention I hate Fox? haha Plus why debate on a network you know none of your voters are watching or willing to watch? When the general election comes around that will be a different story.
Since they are so "notorious for being in the republican's back pocket" I guess that there was no need for you to put any examples of it to back up your post.... Ever hear of liberals Alan Colmes, Greta Van Ssuteren of FNC? Have you ever even watched it, as I have suffered through Hardball and Keith Olbermann? Are there any conservative voices at all on MSNBC, the most liberal of the cable stations? Yet the repubs still debated on there even though it was doubtful any of their "voters" were watching.
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post #12 of 26
1/24/08 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by sbw999 View Post
Since they are so "notorious for being in the republican's back pocket" I guess that there was no need for you to put any examples of it to back up your post.... Ever hear of liberals Alan Colmes, Greta Van Ssuteren of FNC? Have you ever even watched it, as I have suffered through Hardball and Keith Olbermann? Are there any conservative voices at all on MSNBC, the most liberal of the cable stations? Yet the repubs still debated on there even though it was doubtful any of their "voters" were watching.
Scarborough used to be a republican senator and was on MSNBC until a scandal got him fired.

Chris Matthews on Hardball is liberal? He just had to issue a public apology to Hillary based on his sexist comments about her.

As a liberal, I've always viewed MSNBC as only slightly right wing with Fox as propoganda. Olbermann is the only show that I watch on that channel as he is left wing biased.
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post #13 of 26
1/24/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Chris Matthews on Hardball is liberal? He just had to issue a public apology to Hillary based on his sexist comments about her.
what sexist comment? that hillary is used and still using bill to get in the spot she is today? of course that is true.

she is the one that keeps making statement about when she was in the white house before, excuse me? you where not the presdent before. even people running against hillary says he does not know which clinton he is running aganist.

matthews just proved himself fake by backing down on his views.
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post #14 of 26
1/24/08 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by sbw999 View Post
Since they are so "notorious for being in the republican's back pocket" I guess that there was no need for you to put any examples of it to back up your post.... Ever hear of liberals Alan Colmes, Greta Van Ssuteren of FNC? Have you ever even watched it, as I have suffered through Hardball and Keith Olbermann? Are there any conservative voices at all on MSNBC, the most liberal of the cable stations? Yet the repubs still debated on there even though it was doubtful any of their "voters" were watching.
Oh I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge. You want examples... ok.... They always defend Bush and his lies, he can do no wrong in their book, they are blaming the meer possibly of a democrat in the White House as the "cause" of the economic slump. I'm sorry but that alone is enough to discredit them. Plus they are letting Bill O still have his show!! After he flat out attacks people, including a campaign aid for Obama. I really don't care about who's "conservative" and who's "liberal". What is important to me is the quality of journalism and Fox Noise has lost all credibility a long time ago.
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post #15 of 26
1/24/08 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
what sexist comment? that hillary is used and still using bill to get in the spot she is today? of course that is true.
Not quite. I believe the comment is "The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner, is her husband messed around." I find that quite sexist.

Pick a reference. I tried to find ones from both conservative and liberal sites.

http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/Perma...f-dca35fc09957

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2008...llary-clinton/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801170019

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...m_n_82081.html

But back to the original question of the thread. I don't think that MSNBC is a liberal station in the first place. And why waste time on a station who's viewers won't vote for you anyway? Would you work in a place that wouldn't pay you?
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post #16 of 26
1/24/08 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
They always defend Bush and his lies, he can do no wrong in their book, .
what FOX news are you getting. Cause yea, they do.
they just dont do it for a full half-hour, with some it being made up.
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
they are blaming the meer possibly of a democrat in the White House as the "cause" of the economic slump. .
hmm,i listen them every morning, have not see them say that.
now the real slump will come about the time your taxes go back up, if the dems win.

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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Plus they are letting Bill O still have his show!! After he flat out attacks people, including a campaign aid for Obama. .
change the channel. if you dont like the show. It is show, Not the news.

lol as for the campaign aid for obama, the camera guy should have broken the camera over the fools head, after the aid did the side stepping thing several times to block the camera.

or better yet, just carry a stun gun, to protect freedom of the press from the Dems.
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post #17 of 26
1/24/08 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Not quite. I believe the comment is "The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner, is her husband messed around." I find that quite sexist.

Pick a reference. I tried to find ones from both conservative and liberal sites.

http://thephoenix.com/MediaLog/Perma...f-dca35fc09957

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2008...llary-clinton/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801170019

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...m_n_82081.html

But back to the original question of the thread. I don't think that MSNBC is a liberal station in the first place. And why waste time on a station who's viewers won't vote for you anyway? Would you work in a place that wouldn't pay you?
i think his statement is right. i dont think hillary has the Personality to have gotten there. Without her husbands name and at first some people felt sorry for her. is she smart enough to have gotten there, yea, yes i think so.
just not the personality.

As to why waste time, cause there lots of independents out there who may be watching it. Like me.

how i would never vote for a clinton, i would be willing to listen to the others. I do happen to like some things that Obama says. Just not a fan of his tax plans.
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post #18 of 26
1/25/08 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
They probably think, "Why bother? Anybody who watches Fox News isn't going to vote for me, anyway, so why waste precious time?"
So if that's the case, that presumes that *everyone* watching FOX will vote Republican. I guess then, that since the Dems will debate on MSNBC and CNN, that everyone watching those networks votes Democrat. Kind of bolsters the argument that CNN and MSNBC are liberal networks.

As sbw999 said, the candidates are running for President of all Americans. Instead of preaching to the choir, how about the Democrat candidates having the guts to present their ideas and opinions to those who may disagree with them. You can't win hearts and minds if you don't try.
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post #19 of 26
1/25/08 at 2:42pm
I believe it will come down to that. Sadly.
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So if that's the case, that presumes that *everyone* watching FOX will vote Republican. I guess then, that since the Dems will debate on MSNBC and CNN, that everyone watching those networks votes Democrat. Kind of bolsters the argument that CNN and MSNBC are liberal networks.

As sbw999 said, the candidates are running for President of all Americans. Instead of preaching to the choir, how about the Democrat candidates having the guts to present their ideas and opinions to those who may disagree with them. You can't win hearts and minds if you don't try.
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post #20 of 26
1/25/08 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
So if that's the case, that presumes that *everyone* watching FOX will vote Republican. I guess then, that since the Dems will debate on MSNBC and CNN, that everyone watching those networks votes Democrat. Kind of bolsters the argument that CNN and MSNBC are liberal networks.
Well, it certainly bolsters the argument that Republicans *think* they're liberal and refuse to watch them.
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post #21 of 26
1/25/08 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Well, it certainly bolsters the argument that Republicans *think* they're liberal and refuse to watch them.
Actually, if you read the posts from the more conservative members here, you'll see that they in fact do mention watching networks other than FOX, unlike the liberal members who refuse to watch FOX at all.

Listen to any conservative radio talk show, and you will frequently hear callers discussing a specific news story seen on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc.
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post #22 of 26
1/25/08 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
unlike the liberal members who refuse to watch FOX at all.
Please don't paint that brush so broadly. I'm a liberal and I don't restrict the channels I watch. I love our local Fox news and that is on more often than any other network news in my household, including MSNBC.

I still don't get why people think that MSNBC is liberal. The only liberal show they air is Olberman and I've heard him rip into anyone, conservative or liberal, who isn't playing fair.
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post #23 of 26
1/25/08 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Please don't paint that brush so broadly. I'm a liberal and I don't restrict the channels I watch. I love our local Fox news and that is on more often than any other network news in my household, including MSNBC.

I still don't get why people think that MSNBC is liberal. The only liberal show they air is Olberman and I've heard him rip into anyone, conservative or liberal, who isn't playing fair.


I was referring to the liberal members who have posted up to this point in the thread, not all liberal members in general.

Glad to see you're open-minded enough to watch networks with differing viewpoints - I wish more people were!
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post #24 of 26
1/25/08 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
Glad to see you're open-minded enough to watch networks with differing viewpoints - I wish more people were!
Does anyone watch Free Speech TV?? it's got an extremely wide range of articles, so it does take a lot of tolerance, but it's good to hear different viewpoints from people who are truly in the know.
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post #25 of 26
1/26/08 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
Glad to see you're open-minded enough to watch networks with differing viewpoints - I wish more people were!
You can't successfully argue your own point of view unless you understand alternative points of view. This is why I mentioned that I don't get why folks think MSNBC is liberal. I honestly don't get it and am trying to understand that point of view.
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post #26 of 26
1/26/08 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
You can't successfully argue your own point of view unless you understand alternative points of view. This is why I mentioned that I don't get why folks think MSNBC is liberal. I honestly don't get it and am trying to understand that point of view.
I can't understand this either. I don't understand thinking that only ONE station is conservative and they are so embattled beause ALL the rest of the media is liberal.

In truth there is a huge center that isn't very conservative or liberal. The popular thinking goes in one direction for awhile then it goes back. That center is mainstream and most of the media is mainstream.

I'm honest is saying I am a Progressive Liberal Democrat. I know when I'm reading or listening to liberal or progressive or Democrat-leaning programs or literature. (I didn't include watching because all of the broadcast channels are mainstream.) I don't expect the liberal media to be "fair and balanced" in the sense of expressing the viewpoints of most people. I expect them to express the opinions of people who think like me.

I rarely venture to conservative radio, because I find the hosts so obnoxious and arrogant.
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