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post #31 of 43
I think that to have a balanced view of the news, everyone should also watch the "other" news on Free Speech TV and WorldLink TV. If we are smart enough to read posts, or qualify for a driver's license, or to vote, then it is a civic responsibility to become informed as much as possible
post #32 of 43
I don't even like to label myself conservative anymore because it doesn't really mean what it used to. I consider myself a traditional conservative, not a neo-con or a social conservative.

Conservatives used to be very non-interventionist with foreign policy. They used to be labeled isolationists. Conservatives used to believe we shouldn't get involved with another country's affairs unless we were attacked or our vital national interests were truly threatened. That is the way I think we should view intervention now. A conservative of the traditional type would never have attacked Iraq that was a neo-con misadventure. One of the last of the traditional type conservative Presidents, Dwight Eisenhower, warned us about the danger of the growing military-industrial complex.

A traditional conservative believes in a government that is only as big and as intrusive as it needs to be to maintain order, a safety net for those who truly need it, infrastructure, and a military for use when truly needed. That along with fiscal discipline naturally leads to low taxes. Again it was Dwight Eisenhower's administration that planned and built the interstate highway system. He saw it as necessary for national security.

A small non-intrusive government doesn't get involved in matters of personal morality.

There aren't many traditional conservatives left in elected office. The cold war, our involvement in the developing world as a result of the cold war, paranoid people like Joe McCarthy, Hoover, and Nixon has changed everything. We're not formally colonizing the world but what I see us doing is a form of empire building. It has been tried many times since civilization began and it has always been a fool's errand.
post #33 of 43
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
Does this mean GE is conservative or liberal? How does it fit in with the thread?
I heard Bill O'Reilly say it on his show.
post #34 of 43
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
I don't even like to label myself conservative anymore because it doesn't really mean what it used to. I consider myself a traditional conservative, not a neo-con or a social conservative.

Conservatives used to be very non-interventionist with foreign policy. They used to be labeled isolationists. Conservatives used to believe we shouldn't get involved with another country's affairs unless we were attacked or our vital national interests were truly threatened. That is the way I think we should view intervention now. A conservative of the traditional type would never have attacked Iraq that was a neo-con misadventure. One of the last of the traditional type conservative Presidents, Dwight Eisenhower, warned us about the danger of the growing military-industrial complex.

A traditional conservative believes in a government that is only as big and as intrusive as it needs to be to maintain order, a safety net for those who truly need it, infrastructure, and a military for use when truly needed. That along with fiscal discipline naturally leads to low taxes. Again it was Dwight Eisenhower's administration that planned and built the interstate highway system. He saw it as necessary for national security.

A small non-intrusive government doesn't get involved in matters of personal morality.

There aren't many traditional conservatives left in elected office. The cold war, our involvement in the developing world as a result of the cold war, paranoid people like Joe McCarthy, Hoover, and Nixon has changed everything. We're not formally colonizing the world but what I see us doing is a form of empire building. It has been tried many times since civilization began and it has always been a fool's errand.
You are the kind of conservative or Republican I remember from the old days. Democrats and Republicans used to be able to respect each other because, although they disagreed on the means they agreed on the basics of working for the public good.

That's when Republicans worried about balancing the budget and not having a national debt. Even Nixon would be a liberal by today's standards.
post #35 of 43
Partisan politics has turned into a no-compromise, no prisoners taken bloodsport that has completely frozen the government except when it comes to spending money. That is why I support Obama. I know he is a big government liberal and if he can survive the bloodsport and make it to the White House I will disagree with him on a lot of things, but if he can avoid the partisan disease that has infected Washington maybe he can make some inroads in breaking up the partisan logjam.
post #36 of 43
Thread Starter 
Cindy: I figured out the sanctions on Iran thing.

It is against federal law for American companies to do business with a country that is designated a "terrorist supporter," but their foreign subsidiaries can. So GE was within the law.

That still doesn't make NBC a liberal station.
post #37 of 43
It's really interesting to see where the goalposts are. I.e liberal left leaning things in the USA would be right of center where I grew up in Europe and the right leaning USA stuff would be a part of the extreme right.

So I laugh when I hear NBC and co described as a liberal left leaning thing. Even the BBC which I like is seen as be slightly to the right if anything since it's a very set old institution.

A left leaning news source would be for example The Guardian although I guess in the USA it'd be seen as 100% left wing. It's more sort of left of centre here.

So yeah for me the Democrats are a right leaning party while the Republican party is an extremist right wing party.
post #38 of 43
I just don't watch the news. I go to Google news and read the headlines from all the providers. It makes a good mix.
post #39 of 43
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It's really interesting to see where the goalposts are. I.e liberal left leaning things in the USA would be right of center where I grew up in Europe and the right leaning USA stuff would be a part of the extreme right.

So I laugh when I hear NBC and co described as a liberal left leaning thing. Even the BBC which I like is seen as be slightly to the right if anything since it's a very set old institution.

A left leaning news source would be for example The Guardian although I guess in the USA it'd be seen as 100% left wing. It's more sort of left of centre here.

So yeah for me the Democrats are a right leaning party while the Republican party is an extremist right wing party.


Same here. It does seem funny to hear people describe as liberal left what is ideologically pretty close to conservative right here. Well, US and European perceptions of politics are often very differend.
post #40 of 43
Just to give an example from where I grew up, the sort of thing the left parties campaign for is things like a 3 month paid maternity leave and a 3 month paid paternity leave and then 3 months the new parents can split however they want.

While the conservative party wants just a single 6 month paid maternity leave and no paternity leave.

Not a single party thinks there shouldn't be a paid maternity leave.
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
It's really interesting to see where the goalposts are. I.e liberal left leaning things in the USA would be right of center where I grew up in Europe and the right leaning USA stuff would be a part of the extreme right.

So I laugh when I hear NBC and co described as a liberal left leaning thing. Even the BBC which I like is seen as be slightly to the right if anything since it's a very set old institution.

A left leaning news source would be for example The Guardian although I guess in the USA it'd be seen as 100% left wing. It's more sort of left of centre here.

So yeah for me the Democrats are a right leaning party while the Republican party is an extremist right wing party.
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Same here. It does seem funny to hear people describe as liberal left what is ideologically pretty close to conservative right here. Well, US and European perceptions of politics are often very different.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that!

That said, I believe the neoconservatives, Evangelicals, and their figurehead Bush have moved the Republican Party way to the right.
post #42 of 43
You are so right!! I would identify myself as a liberal, but the first time Keith and I stayed with his mother in Belfast, I was astounded to discover my ideology in the UK would be considered moderate at best
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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
It's really interesting to see where the goalposts are. I.e liberal left leaning things in the USA would be right of center where I grew up in Europe and the right leaning USA stuff would be a part of the extreme right.

So I laugh when I hear NBC and co described as a liberal left leaning thing. Even the BBC which I like is seen as be slightly to the right if anything since it's a very set old institution.

A left leaning news source would be for example The Guardian although I guess in the USA it'd be seen as 100% left wing. It's more sort of left of centre here.

So yeah for me the Democrats are a right leaning party while the Republican party is an extremist right wing party.
post #43 of 43
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"Faux News" has been banned from our household for quite awhile, because I got so upset about the positive spin that was being put on the Iraq debacle.


I'm not sure what is meant by "positive spin". If you're referring to the "talk shows" FOX airs such as Hannity & Colmes and O'Reilly, then yes, you're obviously getting the opinion of the particular host, the majority of whom support our actions in Iraq.

However, for most of the war's duration, FOX news was the only network that ever reported in its regular news segments *anything* good that was happening in Iraq. Why was that? Good news doesn't "sell" like body counts do. Unfortunately, too many people on the left have become so myopic about the war that they either refuse to believe or simply can't admit that there has actually been some progress.

In the last news story I saw on FOX (several days ago - I rarely watch TV anymore), the foreign correspondent gave a veritable laundry list of everything that was still wrong in Baghdad - IEDs, six policeman killed, not all neighborhoods secured, etc. He then went on to report that despite the continuing sporadic violence, many neighborhoods were secured, people were moving freely throughout most of the city, many businesses were up and running again, etc. Good and bad news. Seemed pretty balanced to me.

I'd like to think that even someone strongly against the war from the beginning would be glad that some progress has been made, that some good things are happening. For a long time, FOX has been the only network to give you both sides of the story.
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