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Polar Bears or Oil?

post #1 of 21
1/16/08 at 9:33pm
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...news-opinionla

Here's a dilemma:

We need oil right? But our burning oil is destroying the Arctic, right?

So should we continue to drill for oil that destroys the Arctic or should we stop? But if we stop how will we fuel our society?
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post #2 of 21
1/16/08 at 10:24pm
We should stop it. We are going to run out of oil anyway, and we're going to have to find some alternative. Why destroy the arctic to delay the inevitable? Some things are more precious and irreplacable than our needs. Especially when there are viable alternatives available to us.
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post #3 of 21
1/17/08 at 10:35am
Well if we don't want to be dependent on the foreign oils, then what choice do we have????
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post #4 of 21
1/17/08 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
We should stop it. We are going to run out of oil anyway, and we're going to have to find some alternative. Why destroy the arctic to delay the inevitable? Some things are more precious and irreplacable than our needs. Especially when there are viable alternatives available to us.
Humans can be selfish at times when it comes to serving their needs. There is always one person that wants that house built, or a business, etc. So why not chop everything down? Nature was here first and once you destroy it you can't bring it back.

Are future children of this country going to have to look at a book to learn about an animal because we have completely destroyed their habitat?

There is always an alternative for everything. It's just a matter of finding it.
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post #5 of 21
1/17/08 at 11:11am
NO oil should be needed we have lots of options/./
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post #6 of 21
1/17/08 at 11:28am
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Isn't there anyone who wants to tell us how global warming isn't caused by oil and we should keep drilling until it runs out?
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post #7 of 21
1/17/08 at 5:01pm
Then tell the car manufacturers to only make cars that run on ethanol! If we can't buy cars that run on oil, then no more drilling will be needed. Its the car and oil companies that are more to blame.
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post #8 of 21
1/17/08 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Well if we don't want to be dependent on the foreign oils, then what choice do we have????
all the oil we get is sold to japan. We are not even using it for us.
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post #9 of 21
1/17/08 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
Isn't there anyone who wants to tell us how global warming isn't caused by oil and we should keep drilling until it runs out?

yea, i guess oil is to blame for the last 1000 years of warming.

but no, i dont think we should keep dilling it,its time to go to cheaper means.
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post #10 of 21
1/17/08 at 6:02pm
I say let's find something that will replace oil and depleat our earth. What is it? I don't know. The Corn and Wood thing for ethanol is nuts...we really can't grow enough to fuel all of America let alone the rest of the planet. Water definitely should be investigated. I remember watching a video about a guy that was trying to get his car that runs on water patented by the U.S. government. This was back in 2005 when I saw the video.

Anyhoo, the cool thing about it is that the "exhaust" of the water car was actually just steam that went back into the environment as water.

Anyway, no...no arguments here. Perhaps we should start doing something like walking or biking to work Perhaps that will fix the obesity rate also...(sorry it just makes me sick when its a nice day out and someone has to drive two blocks to the CVS and gets "winded" walking the 25 feet from the car door to the front of the store).
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post #11 of 21
1/17/08 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
I say let's find something that will replace oil and depleat our earth. What is it? I don't know. The Corn and Wood thing for ethanol is nuts...we really can't grow enough to fuel all of America let alone the rest of the planet. Water definitely should be investigated. I remember watching a video about a guy that was trying to get his car that runs on water patented by the U.S. government. This was back in 2005 when I saw the video.

Anyhoo, the cool thing about it is that the "exhaust" of the water car was actually just steam that went back into the environment as water.

Anyway, no...no arguments here. Perhaps we should start doing something like walking or biking to work Perhaps that will fix the obesity rate also...(sorry it just makes me sick when its a nice day out and someone has to drive two blocks to the CVS and gets "winded" walking the 25 feet from the car door to the front of the store).
Could that have been a steam engine?
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post #12 of 21
1/17/08 at 6:28pm
Right now the truth is there are no viable options for the huge amounts of energy needed by modern society. It takes at least as much energy to produce ethanol as you get back not to mention the huge amounts of water and land needed to produce the grain that it is made from. Hydrogen is not a viable option. Hydrogen does not occur in nature on it's own it is bound to something as in H2O and it takes huge amounts of energy to break that bond again it takes as much energy to produce it as we would be getting back. The only viable option for energy in any quantity is for electricity and that is nuclear energy. There is still the problem of getting rid of the waste and there is the huge problem of not in my backyard. There are no easy answers and we are a long way off from viable options.
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post #13 of 21
1/17/08 at 7:39pm
There isn't a single alternative solution to the energy problem. The way we use energy has become a cultural thing and the norm of the culture needs to change before people can start to effectively implement alternatives.

My company is trying to go "green". They are offering work from home positions to cut down on the need to drive. They have come up with a new dispatching system for their technicians which has cut out their gas consumption by 25% last year alone. They've actually hired someone to come up with creative ideas to save energy. And guess what - it saved the company millions of dollars last year.

The polar bear dilemna is just a tiny aspect of the huge problem this society faces.
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post #14 of 21
1/17/08 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post

My company is trying to go "green". They are offering work from home positions to cut down on the need to drive. .

They need any work from home IT people,
Err, i am not really joking, i want a work from home job
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post #15 of 21
1/17/08 at 8:22pm
Where I worked before the job I have now let one person work from home for awhile because of a family situation. Of course when other people seen how well it worked for her other people wanted to do it to. Management's answer was that she had to physically come back to work instead of letting other people work from home. The managers were older with a micromanagement attitude and they wanted to make sure that people weren't goofing off instead of working. Of course we had logins and everything we did could be verified on the systems but that wasn't good enough they wanted people to be physically there so they could watch them. I think some of it too was that the managers would've still had to physically come to work so everyone else was going to have to also.
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post #16 of 21
1/17/08 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
Where I worked before the job I have now let one person work from home for awhile because of a family situation. Of course when other people seen how well it worked for her other people wanted to do it to. Management's answer was that she had to physically come back to work instead of letting other people work from home. The managers were older with a micromanagement attitude and they wanted to make sure that people weren't goofing off instead of working. Of course we had logins and everything we did could be verified on the systems but that wasn't good enough they wanted people to be physically there so they could watch them. I think some of it too was that the managers would've still had to physically come to work so everyone else was going to have to also.
That's exactly the culture that I'm talking about. One of the groups that they are looking to allow from home are folks that work for the call center. Imagine - taking those calls from home in your pj's!! They can monitor their performance through logging their activities so why not?

I get to work from home a lot. I've been in the office about 5 times in the last 3 months. I fill my gas tank every few weeks.
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post #17 of 21
1/17/08 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
They can monitor their performance through logging their activities so why not?
My personal theory is that people in management are trying to protect their own jobs. You don't need much in the way of supervision when there are no employees to physically supervise.
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post #18 of 21
1/17/08 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
My personal theory is that people in management are trying to protect their own jobs. You don't need much in the way of supervision when there are no employees to physically supervise.
That is right on!!! The other thing my company is doing is getting rid of managers who have that mentality.
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post #19 of 21
1/18/08 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
Could that have been a steam engine?
I found the video I saw on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVevvgM3ho

You do bring up a good point though...I wonder if there becomes a huge risk by running hot water/steam that could result in explosions (besides the investors in oil not wanting to losing money)
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post #20 of 21
1/18/08 at 6:10pm
The idea of walking/biking to work is a good one ONLY if you live within a reasonable distance. For the majority of people that is not feasible. I'll be retiring within the next 5-10 yrs, so I won't have to worry about driving to work. I have tried to find a carpool or something, but no luck - so I have to drive 2 hrs by myself for the time being.

But at least we were wise to get a car that gets 35-40 mpg!
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post #21 of 21
1/18/08 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
The idea of walking/biking to work is a good one ONLY if you live within a reasonable distance. For the majority of people that is not feasible. I'll be retiring within the next 5-10 yrs, so I won't have to worry about driving to work. I have tried to find a carpool or something, but no luck - so I have to drive 2 hrs by myself for the time being.

But at least we were wise to get a car that gets 35-40 mpg!
Ouch! I thought my 1 hour 10 mins a day was bad. I can't imagine your gas bill. It is just getting bad everywhere. Just be glad we pay for gallon and not per liter like they do in Europe!
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