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post #1 of 24
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/14/ufo....ap/index.html

Unidentified flying objects have been spotted by people living in a small Texas town. Some people think they can explain them, others say the explanations don't make sense.
post #2 of 24
i saw that same story hehe, i was thinking of posting it.
The question i havee in this age of every cell phone has a camera,
where are the pics? the one guy said he was watching it though a rifle scope? grab a camera!!! not a gun.

i think we have couple of people see something strange, then other people just think they see something.

But who knows for sure, they very well could be some type of test aircraft, it would not be the first time new aircraft have been confused with UFO's SR-71 in its day, and later the stealth fighter.
or the new navy strike bomber they wont admit that is out, just like they did with the stealth fighter until one crashed.

the new thing is the black triangles, those i think are a new type of US aircraft.

hehe however i would perfer to think that a very small % are from some where else
post #3 of 24
The study of Astronomy is like history: the study of things past. Only with astronomy we have no idea what the current situation is because of the vast distance and time required (thousands, millions, billions of years) for light and sound to travel to our mini planet.

Unless faster than light (FTL) or forms of ultra-space traversal are possible - despite what all of the SciFi genre promotes heavily - there is little chance of any two sentient species from different planets meeting unless the planets reside in the same solar system. Calculations of the time required just to jump from one galaxy to the next at light-speed is in the millions of years (!). That pretty much rules out extra-galactic invasion without FTL travel. Heck, the travel time to the nearest star at light-speed is something like 4 years (at more realistically possible speeds it may take 20 to 40 years).

Interestingly, the situation is bleak just by merit. Like evolution on Earth that took a long time (and stable conditions) for a sentient species to evolve (4.5 billion years), I think that the universe operates in similar ways. It is very probable that conditions weren't stable enough for so many billions of years (of the estimated 15.5 billion) for planetary systems to evolve. Also, theory shows that elements of more complex types required long times to accumulate by the dying of many stars. In other words, sentient lifeforms may not have been possible more than 5 or 10 billion years ago which would mean that sentient lifeforms may only 'now' be popping up in the universe due to stability and a rich source of elements. And since the universe is like a history machine, each sentient lifeform would be practically isolated by several factors: expansion of the universe and speed at which light (EM) travels.

For instance, a sentient lifeform 5,000 light years away would need to have peaked technologically at least 5,000 years ago (our time) for us to receive any transmissions. And for them to receive our transmissions they would need to have survived technologically for 10,000 years beyond that (think of the two planets separated by 5,000 (light) years each travelling along parallel lines of time (upward for future let's say). Their signal leaves at A and arrives at Earth 5,000 years later in which time both have moved 5,000 years along the timeline. We respond with a signal back that takes another 5,000 years to arrive at A. Not exactly instant communications.

So do I think they saw UFO's? They certainly saw something and because they can't identify it that means it's an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Does that mean this object was "Extraterrestrial"? No. Just regular air crafts and the mind playing tricks. Nothing more.

Does that mean there aren't other lifeforms out there somewhere? It would be arrogant to think that we are alone in this vast space. But those on other planets are probably struggling with their own limitations for space exploration, just like we are. Will we ever meet with one another? Doubtful unless we can each overcome the limits of time and space travel.

For those that don't know about "light years":

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A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
Now if a place is 10 light years away, that is more than 100 trillion km! It would take you 10 years travelling at a constant speed of 300,000 km/second to reach that destination.

Then there is the whole "mass" problem

The more you accelerate towards the speed of light, the more massive and the more energy required to propel the mass. That's why the only thing nearing light speed is, well, light (massless particles). By the time you're moving 80% the speed of light you'll need a couple million spare stars for power.

Longetivity, modes of transport, take-it-all-with-you are all speculative unfortunately. The problem with the latter 'entire biosphere' ideology is that, for instance, Earth isn't a closed system. It has been fed by asteriods, comets, dust, solar radiation, and extra-solar radiation for billions of years. Life on Earth is dependent completely on the Sun - ignoring vent life and subsurface microbes. So, you'd essentially want to take your entire solar system out for a spin - what would you use for propulsion?

I know I sure wouldn't want to come face to face with any species that has the ability to throw their solar system around like a football. And where would they park it? I'm sure that we would notice if a solar system was parked in our back yard, LOL
post #4 of 24
Yea, that was based on stuff at the time. Some of those idea have started to change. i could be wrong but i swear i saw a news story about some particles had been pused past the speed of light.

Granted they where sub atomic but its a start. Each step we have taken we have ran into one type of wall or another. the used to believe man could not live about speeds of 25 mph, then 60. then all the flight stuff. Up to the sound barrier(the whole there was demon that lived in the air thing) Right now we are limited to chemical or thermal energy type motors.

then the moon , now its mars. Each step takes alot of people alot of work. Several of einstein theory are well just that. He had no real way of testing them. Or of new types of power that we have yet found. Or what someone else has found. how e=mc2 seems to holding up, that does not rule out yet found ways to warp the distance. or types of engery that could push past the speed of light.

Each period has has had its you can go past this, well we are at that point again, does not mean we are stuck yet.
granted in are life we wont see man moving out into space, but i think it will happen

oh yea, who says the craft that some people see are manned? they could be robots hehee.
post #5 of 24
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hehe however i would perfer to think that a very small % are from some where else
...and the same idea scares me to death. I hate to think of other beings with so much more knowledge and technology just lolling around watching us.....for what purpose?
post #6 of 24
why do we go to places, and study jungle people, why do we study animals? to learn more about us, and the world. why do we send robots to the moon and mars

to learn. i can see somoene that maybe has better toys,
sitting up there and just watching to see what we do.
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
why do we go to places, and study jungle people, why do we study animals? to learn more about us, and the world. why do we send robots to the moon and mars

to learn. i can see somoene that maybe has better toys,
sitting up there and just watching to see what we do.
Well, that is a much more cheerful way to look at it. I hope they like what they're learning.
post #8 of 24
My DH had a real life encounter with UFO/aliens. Actually it was not only him but his brothers and sisters. They were living in a trailer near a lake. The kids were probably 10 yrs down to 3 or 4 yrs. They saw this ufo (or something) crash into the lake and then a very tall figure (not human) coming up the path towards the trailer.

The kids remember seeing it almost to the trailer - then several hours later they woke up at the same time (was about 2-3 hrs of lost time). Years later one of the brothers mentioned a scar on his hip. About 2-3 other brothers (including DH) also discovered the same type of scar in the same area on their bodies.

So yes, I believe there are UFO's and aliens visiting us. I'd love to go in a spaceship
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
But who knows for sure, they very well could be some type of test aircraft, it would not be the first time new aircraft have been confused with UFO's SR-71 in its day, and later the stealth fighter.
or the new navy strike bomber they wont admit that is out, just like they did with the stealth fighter until one crashed.

the new thing is the black triangles, those i think are a new type of US aircraft.
I imagine you're right. My sister and I saw a "UFO" last August, which flew right over our car. It took us both a minute to realize that it was a Stealth Bomber from the nearby AFB. Who knows why it was out flying during the day?
post #10 of 24
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Can anyone post a picture of the stealth bomber?

GoldenKitty45, your DH's experience is exactly the kind that frightens me. Are they studying us? Why?
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post #12 of 24
I personally have two theories about UFOs.

1) Area 51 was actually created by the government for their own entertainment purposes. Nothing secret or alien goes on there...just a bunch of scientists that create "spacecraft" to mess with the citizens and laugh about. Think of it more like a Nerd's version (who was picked on waaaaaay too much as a kid) of Totally hidden camera.

2) Since 9/11 we are no longer terrified because "nothing" has happened since. So we're becoming relaxed and violated with some of the security measures. Since Bush can't scare us anymore with "Terrorists" being the evil-doers, he's creating "Alien Terrorists" to keep his scheme for Homeland Security going. Oh wait, the flaw is that this is his last year...well might as go out with a bang.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
Can anyone post a picture of the stealth bomber?

GoldenKitty45, your DH's experience is exactly the kind that frightens me. Are they studying us? Why?
llol why do we study jungle tribes?
post #14 of 24
I have no idea - but told DH that if they ever come back to check up on him, to be sure he has my hand so I can go with him
post #15 of 24
I don't know if I believe in UFO's or not, but from the few stories I have seen on TV, if they do exist, it creeps me out.

Anyway, Stephenville is a dinky town which is well known for Tarelton State University and one Wal-mart. Who knows WHAT they saw, but without any pictures, I won't believe it until I see it for myself.
post #16 of 24
Hi,

I live in Stephenville, didn't see anything, but I would have to say the folks who did see "it", did indeed see "something" but that it just hasn't been identified yet. There was some kind of big meeting yesterday here and the "crazies" in town have begun coming out of the woodwork with stories of "past encounters" which they have been too "scared" to report. Of course that just muddies up the investigation already in progress.

Who knows how long this will continues, or if there will ever be a resolution. It doesn't seem to be losing momentum at this point, however.
post #17 of 24
No doubt it's government-related.
post #18 of 24
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Who knows how long this will continues, or if there will ever be a resolution. It doesn't seem to be losing momentum at this point, however.

i doubt it will when the story is showing up in the BBC, and someone in belgium linked me the story also in there news paper

for some reason people link UFO with crazy people etc, UFO just means you dont know what it was.

does not mean it was from space.

hmm i am sure some how hillary did it. hmmm
post #19 of 24
I don't think because we can't figure out how to get past the speed of light, othere beings in other universes can't have figured it out. Also, that's not the only possible theory. Perhaps whoever is piloting these crafts (assuming they are piloted) come from a different dimension? Perhaps they are a nomad species and the craft is their home?

Unfortunately, because people who have seen something or believe these sighting should be investigated, are labeled "crazies" by the debunkers, the general public takes up the ridicule and some people do fear reporting what they've seen for fear of being labeled as one of the "crazies." (Not saying there aren't a fair number of true crazies out there, mind you).

I don't know about that sightings in Texas, but some of the UFOs that have been reported over the years have been by extremely reputable people who would definitely know the difference between Venus, swamp gas, military aircraft, and something totally unexplainable.

I have an open mind, I believe there is *something* going on. I'd love for the ridicule to stop and a true investigation to take place so we can get to the bottom of it once and for all.
post #20 of 24
I knew there were some crazy people in Texas and this just proves it. haha
post #21 of 24
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Now wait a doggone minute, here. UFO just means unidentified flying object -- it doesn't mean flying saucer or little green men. It just means they saw something in the air they couldn't indentify. It could be anything.
post #22 of 24
Hmmmmm, I didn't mean to say that those who initially reported the "UFO" were among the crazies. In fact, I know a couple of them and they are quite reputable. However, at the town meeting, well known "characters" here in town suddenly had things to report as well--supposedly from years past, etc.

The plot has thickened. The Air Force now claims that, yep, they were in the area that night, but had "forgotten" about it. Of course that has made the whole thing 100 times worse, as it does appear they are covering up "something." They claim there were 10 F-16s in the area. However, the area they are describing is 60 miles away and everyone who reported seeing the lights, at close range, said there was no noise associated with them. Who has ever heard of a silent F-16????

It's an interesting diversion here in town, for sure.

Cally
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
I personally have two theories about UFOs.

1) Area 51 was actually created by the government for their own entertainment purposes. Nothing secret or alien goes on there...just a bunch of scientists that create "spacecraft" to mess with the citizens and laugh about. Think of it more like a Nerd's version (who was picked on waaaaaay too much as a kid) of Totally hidden camera.

2) Since 9/11 we are no longer terrified because "nothing" has happened since. So we're becoming relaxed and violated with some of the security measures. Since Bush can't scare us anymore with "Terrorists" being the evil-doers, he's creating "Alien Terrorists" to keep his scheme for Homeland Security going. Oh wait, the flaw is that this is his last year...well might as go out with a bang.
"nothing" has happened since? I beg to differ, I think the people in Madrid and London would also.

Of course it is Bush's fault, everything is.
post #24 of 24
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Of course it is Bush's fault, everything is.
soon it will be hillary;s fault,
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