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My wife and I are at a loss on what to do with our cat Miss Kitty. She's the sweetest cat you'll ever meet and we love her dearly. Unfortunately she has recently begun having some issues peeing in the apartment.

When we first moved into our new apartment a little less than a year ago she had a few accidents on our bathroom rug. At first we couldn't figure out what the problem was but we eventually decided it was due to the rubber backing on the rug and the fact that her litter box is now located in the bathroom, where as in our old place she had the laundry room pretty much to herself. Well we got rid of the rug and through our problems were over, but we've recently discovered they aren't.

The first thing we found was an accident in the living room on her bed. Though I guess I wouldn't call it an accident since she clearly meant to pee in her bed. We figured maybe she got confused since the bed I guess somewhat resembles a litter box and thought it was a one time thing. Since then we've been finding more and more spots in the bathroom where she has been urinating. First we realized she had peed on a pile of our clothes that were sitting on top of the hamper. After that I went out and bought a black light and discovered that she had peed in a couple different spots in the bathroom, in two different corners right along the baseboard. Well today I found two more spots. One along the wall behind the sink, she must have climbed up onto the counter and peed. The second was in an even stranger location. We have a piece of furniture that sits behind and around the toilet that we keep extra towels in, and it appears that she climbed up onto the top of that and peed along the wall.

At this point we really don't know what to do. It would break our hearts to have to get rid of her, but there is no way we can continue to tolerate this kind of behavior. In a few months we're actually moving back into the apartment we lived in before this one (long story), and we are trying to decide if we need to find her a new home before we move. Part of me thinks that the reason for all this is because of the fact that her litter box is in our one and only bathroom, and she just really isn't fond of sharing that space. If that's the case then things should go back to normal when we move since she'll have her own room again. If this is going to be an ongoing problem however we're going to be forced to get rid of her because as I'm sure you know cat urine is not an easy thing to clean up and we'd just as soon not have to deal with it in the new apartment.

What are your thoughts on the issue? I'm going to try and get her into a vet to make sure it isn't some kind of urinary infection, though due to the odd nature of where she's urinating it doesn't seem like that's the case. I remember reading once that if most of the accidents are along walls instead of on the ground then that means they're marking their territory. Any help would be greatly appreciated. As I said, we would both be heart broken to have to get rid of her, but I really don't know what else to do at this point.
 

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You never know, first thing is to get her vet checked/UTI tested to rule that out.
 

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Here is a previous post that you may find helpful:

Originally Posted by LDG

I feel your pain.
Been there ourselves.

The first time we had a problem with Spooky, what we did was

1) buy Feliway plug-in diffusers,

2) added Cat Attract to the litter (I don't think the Cat Attract Litter existed as such yet),

3) gave Spooky 10 - 15 minutes of extra play time both morning and evening.

4) We purchased Multicat Household Harmony flower essences - I think you should try the Calm & Serene flower essences (available here: http://www.catfaeries.com )

5) That same site sells large quantity Anti-Icky Poo enzyme cleaner. It may work better than what you've been using. And with a gallon bottle, you can shake it up and pour it on the cushions and in the cracks of the couch. We used about half a gallon each application. If urine can get down there, another liquid can get down there. On our couch with the attached cushions, we purchased Nok-Out (http://www.nokout.com). It is safe for animals and leaves your couch smelling slightly like bleach. We had to apply it three times before the smell went completely away. It took at least a week to dry with each application - though it was summer and more humid. We covered the cushions with aluminum foil and kept a throw blanket handy. When we wanted to sit on the couch, we put the throw blanket down over the foil and sat on it like that, and we folded it up and set it on the mantle when we weren't using it - but this way it doesn't matter how long it takes to dry.

6) We also set the litterbox on the couch with the cat attract additive on the litter when we weren't using the couch. Then we set it on the floor in front of the couch. Then we set it next to the couch. Then we moved it about a foot a day until it was where we wanted it.

7) Thankfully Spooky only peed on the end of the mattress (where are feet are). But it doesn't much matter - we poured about 1/2 a gallon of Nok-Out in the area, covered it with thick towels, and then made the bed. We changed the thick towels under the sheets every day for three days - it was dry enough on the top of the mattress to just leave a thick towel in that spot after that. We placed a litter box on the bed over where she peed when we weren't using the bed - when we were, we placed it on the floor at the foot of the bed. Then we did the same thing there - we moved the box about a foot a day (with the cat attract additive in the box) until it was back where we wanted it (in the hallway outside the bedroom). Thankfully the mattress didn't need another application after that.

If you have two litter boxes, I'd consider adding a third - and perhaps do try one with out a cover. With your covered ones, if you have the swinging doors on them, consider taking the swinging door off of one of them.

I know you live in a small apartment - but for two years we lived in an RV that was 8' wide by 37' long with five cats. We had 3 litter boxes, and I scooped probably 3x a day. It never smelled of kitty pee or poop unless kitty had just taken a stinky poop. We have several cats that don't do a good job of covering their business.

Also, have you purchased a black light to go through the house to make sure you've gotten all the spots?

The next step after all of that is confining her to a very large crate or small room. I know you don't want to do the litter box retraining because of her sister, so if you don't want to go that route, then you'd really have to consider an anti-anxiety medication.

The next time we had a problem with Spooky all this stuff didn't work. We used an anti-anxiety medication, Elavil (amitryptaline). Others recommend Buspar. Buspar you can just stop - Elavil you have to wean them off the med, you can't just stop giving it. We used it on Spooky for four months then weaned her off over a couple weeks. She slept a lot for the first three weeks on it, but the peeing outside the box stopped pretty much immediately. And once we weaned her off of it, it didn't start again.

A couple months ago she peed outside the box. I freaked - I thought it was happening again. But we took her to the vet - it turned out she had two teeth that were hurting her. They needed to be pulled. When she came home - no more peeing outside the box. So it was just her way of letting us know she was in pain. *phew*



Laurie
All of that said:

1) Your kitty should go to a vet. 85% of the time, when a cat pees outside of the box when they previously used it, it is a medical problem, often a bladder or urinary tract infection - although as you can see, cats in pain will also urinate outside of the box. However - you're right. This does sound like a likely candidate for a stress-related or territory marking issue. Is she spayed? If not, she should be.


2) Feliway is a synthetic hormone that mimics the "friendly" markers in cats' cheeks. It helps reduce stress (even if you can't see any reason for kitty to be stressed). There are plug-ins (like air freshener we can't smell) or spray bottles. If you use a spray bottle, spray it around the house at cat height (especially around where she's been peeing that she shouldn't) and don't spray it near scratching posts or litter boxes.

3) You MUST use an enzyme cleanser to clean up cat pee or poop. Anything else may make it smell OK to a human nose - but not to a cat nose. The area must be drenched - if on carpet - down to the floor boards. If on a couch, through the cushions. It should take DAYS to dry. And add it to the laundry of whatever you're washing that she peed on.

5) Some bathroom rugs ARE a problem because of the backing. Quite a few people have written about it, and we had one that encouraged Spooky to pee on it.

6) You only have one kitty - but with one cat, you should have two litter boxes. Try having one covered one (we always remove the swinging door) and one uncovered. Make sure they are in convenient low-traffic areas for her to use. PURCHASE "CAT ATTRACT" LITTER!!!! This really seems to help with problems like this.

So... make sure there isn't a medical problem and that she's not in pain. Have her spayed if she isn't. Use the enzyme cleaner - gallons of it, if necessary. Get the Feliway, the Calming Flower Essences, replace her litter with the Cat Attract Litter - and any time you see her use the litter box, praise her to high heaven and give her treats. The positive reinforcement combined with the stress reducers (including extra play time morning and evening) and the Cat Attract litter may do the trick.

If not - then you have to resort to litter box retraining. This means confining her to either a large dog crate or a small room. You have to make sure to spend lots of time in there so she doesn't stress from being alone. Our Spooky started obsessively licking, and we couldn't get her to stop - so we went with an anti-anxiety med.

As a very last resort, talk to your vet about an anti-anxiety medication.

Hope this helps,

Laurie
 

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As usual, LDG's advice is right on the money, and you would be wise to follow everything that she wrote.

I sympathize with your situation. Inappropriate elimination is very stressful for humans and is far and away the #1 reason why animals are surrendered to shelters (or just thrown out of the house altogether...
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But please, it really does sound premature for you to contemplate "getting rid of" Miss Kitty. And hopefully your words are simply the byproduct of being stressed out by this situation and your forthcoming move. This would be understandable. But still, you used this phrase no less than three times in your post...and maybe it's just me, but if there's one phrase that makes me cringe every time I hear it with regard to animals, it's that one. I believe in adopting for life except in very extreme circumstances, and as unpleasant as this is, it doesn't rise to that level. Certainly not until every effort is spent trying to fix matters.

Whether she's doing this because of physical discomfort or because of a behavioral issue, there are many tried-and-true ways of combatting and solving the problem, many of which were mentioned by LDG. You said yourself that she is the sweetest cat and you and your family love her dearly. She needs you folks to be in her corner and help her so she can return to normal. If you "get rid" of her, what do you think will happen to her? Even if she's brought to a no-kill shelter that happens to have room for her, do you really think that people will be rushing to the shelter asking to adopt the cat with the peeing and pooping problem?

Again, please take LDG's advice and supplement it with other information that is readily available both on this site and on the internet, and hopefully the problems will be solved in due course. And do keep us posted on developments. There are so many knowledgeable members on this site who would be happy to provide guidance and advice.
 

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I have a rescue kitten who has a peeing problem, but it seems really specific. I live in a one bedroom and loft condo. Cookie is 2.5 month's old and she is healthy, but has had diarrhea that the vet can not seem to diagnose. I kind of think it is the food because it fluctuates from soft stool most of the time to ocasionally lamost liquid.

Anyway, she has peed in one corner of my room, and previously neer her litter boxes which are up stairs. No where else. She used to pee next to her liter boxes but when I put milk creates over the spots I cleaned, she uses the boxes now.

I have her locked out of my room so she and my other mail cat can have free run of the livingroo, dining area, kitchen and upsairs loft. No accidents. I did this before and there were no accidents.

She has been to the vet for UTI and fecal analysis and three examinations whth negative results. I have not taken in a liquid run for analysis.

She was on antibiotics, then probiotics and is now on Tylan powder. I see really soft stool still, but at least it is in the box and she is peeing in the other box.

My theory and hope is that this is related to diarrhea. When I first brought her home at 8 weeks old (the pound got her at 4 weeks) she was OD. The poind said she has clavamox for an upper respiratory infection, and she actually now has an eye infection and I am giving her drops for that.

The is very active, palyful, likes the other cat and has gained weight. This is what is confounding the vet. She is 2.5 months old and weighs five pounds and eats a lot. Wet and Dry food.

The vet does not think it is a food allergy, but I wonder.
 

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Originally Posted by tkaner

I have a rescue kitten who has a peeing problem, but it seems really specific. I live in a one bedroom and loft condo. Cookie is 2.5 month's old and she is healthy, but has had diarrhea that the vet can not seem to diagnose. I kind of think it is the food because it fluctuates from soft stool most of the time to ocasionally lamost liquid.

Anyway, she has peed in one corner of my room, and previously neer her litter boxes which are up stairs. No where else. She used to pee next to her liter boxes but when I put milk creates over the spots I cleaned, she uses the boxes now.

I have her locked out of my room so she and my other mail cat can have free run of the livingroo, dining area, kitchen and upsairs loft. No accidents. I did this before and there were no accidents.

She has been to the vet for UTI and fecal analysis and three examinations whth negative results. I have not taken in a liquid run for analysis.

She was on antibiotics, then probiotics and is now on Tylan powder. I see really soft stool still, but at least it is in the box and she is peeing in the other box.

My theory and hope is that this is related to diarrhea. When I first brought her home at 8 weeks old (the pound got her at 4 weeks) she was OD. The poind said she has clavamox for an upper respiratory infection, and she actually now has an eye infection and I am giving her drops for that.

The is very active, palyful, likes the other cat and has gained weight. This is what is confounding the vet. She is 2.5 months old and weighs five pounds and eats a lot. Wet and Dry food.

The vet does not think it is a food allergy, but I wonder.
Could she have worms of some sort? Many worms, such as giardia and coccidia, cause smelly diarrhea, symptoms increase with stress, your kitten is in the prime age group for catching these, and they don't show up on normal fecals.
 

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I hear your anxiety in your post and do understand the frustration you are having. LDG's advice was spot-on (no pun intended
) and please try those exact suggestions. First and foremost, your kitty needs a vet. Even though this sounds like stress marking, cat's with urinary tract issues can pee in the oddest places like you are describing. I certainly hope you exhaust every possible reason for this behavior before you "get rid" of her.... We are here to help and support you. My concern for your cat if you "place" her in another home or shelter is that she will be a lifelong resident with that kind of history. Most people won't want to take a chance on adopting a cat that has a history of not using the litter box.

I do think if you follow the above advice and also get a vet check-up you can solve this issue. Much luck to you and your dear cat, it sounds like you really do love her
 

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Hi, I am new to thecatsite forums. This is my first post. I have a good deal of experience with cats of many differing dispositions....I hope to share some experience and knowledge and gain the same as well.

I have had the "pee-pee" outside the box issues which I know are frustrating to resolve and find answers to the problem.

A few thoughts:

Get kitty checked by your vet. Rule out any medical issues.

Have you been paying kitty less attention? Give lots of attention and love. Get her some treats, new toys, food she likes, etc..

Many cats do not like change (the temporary move) could be stress... Vet may recommend something if it's the case.

Possiblity of previous cat smells..territory marking...etc..Use professional urine removal cleaner to remove urine from locations where the kitty has gone outside her box.

Did you change the brand of kitty litter? I prefer unscented scoopable litter.

Location of litter box...not favorable to kitty..? Add additional litter box in a different location? Or two smaller boxes right next to each other..

Keep litter box very clean, scoop often. Cats love a clean box.

Good luck and please don't give up on her until you exhaust all options. So many cats need homes...and a shelter is not a good option...one main reason...euthanizing.

I wish you the best.
 
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