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post #1 of 29
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Our Baloo is a 6 month old DSH. We adopted him from a shelter. Of course he is so handsome. I hope these pics show his color well, but his coat has the most softest feel and is sort of a "silver/blue", funny thing is that when we first got him, he was this silver/blue all over and as he has gotten older, the classic stripes are showing through. The stripes are very dark blue or even black. They are getting darker as he grows. But when you see him one way, the stripes don't show and you see him in another way, you see the stripes. He has gold eyes with this definet green ring around the pupil and the green gets larger and larger. He has really dark pink paw pads, unlike Abby and Callie who have light pink paw pads.
Abby is a Red Mackeral Tabby (DSH) and Callie is a Torbie (DSH). I know that Baloo is a DSH, but hwat color would you call him?





post #2 of 29
A beautiful blue classic tabby It appears to me from the pics that he may have silver tipping as well - very very nice indeed Quick question and for my interest only... if you put your hand on the coat does it temporarily leave a hand print? His coat looks like it's double coated and very plush!

Lucky, lucky you!
post #3 of 29
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oh, gosh. I did it and yes, like if you put your hand in sand and take it out, leaves imprint. Wow!
Did it on Abby & Callie and nothing.
Yes, his coat is so soft and smooth and like you said, plush.

This pic really shows his eyes. They are so unusual, everyone notices them.

post #4 of 29
Its a blue classic tabby and VERY handsome - unusual in the markings as its a little different then the normal blue tabby markings. If the coat is plushy and leaves marks - there's probably a good amount of Russian Blue in the background - those are one of the few cats that has this type of coat.

IMO I'd put him in a cat show in a heartbeat - bet he'd take a lot of awards. If you show him in CFA, try to get him in a show with Diana Doerenberg - she's a RB breeder and a sucker for blue cats - I'm sure she would final him
post #5 of 29
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IMG, you really think so? I would love to do that! Do I just find out where a show is and enter him? Enter him in the "non registered" group? Tell me a good website to start on learning how to do this. I could see him in a show, he is soooooo affectionate and loves everybody, but he hates to be cooped up, like when I take him to the vet, he meows and meows the whole way there and the whole way home
Here is an example, it takes me 20 minutes to get to the vets from our home, my daughter and I counted 52 meows in 20 minutes. Drove me nuts....hehe.
post #6 of 29
And here I am thinking LOTS of British SH! Once of the main requirements for BSH is the imprint! Lovely amber eyes. I agree with GK in that he's HHP material definately!

Here's a link for CFA shows:

http://cfanewbee.org/
post #7 of 29
Get him used to short drives now. I'm dead serious about showing him

Here's the webpages for CFA, ACFA, and TICA - you'll have to go to there show calendar pages and check for the nearest show.

Two rules: (1) over 8 months has to be neutered/spayed (2) not declawed - CFA bans any declawed cat; ACFA/TICA allow but don't encourage.

He would be entered in the Household Pet section - shorthair. If you need specifics, just ask your questions - we'll be glad to help you out. Too bad you are not in MN - I could help you a lot more

CFA
http://www.cfainc.org/ - go to the Cat shows button


ACFA show calendar:

http://www.acfacats.com/show_schedule.htm

TICA website:
http://www.tica.org/html/english/home/
post #8 of 29
But the silver tipping is more RB then BSH
post #9 of 29
True enough - but we see pics, not the cat! So we can't confirm the tipping at all. However, looking at that cute cute face, I may have to concur with the RB influence
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
IMO I'd put him in a cat show in a heartbeat - bet he'd take a lot of awards. If you show him in CFA, try to get him in a show with Diana Doerenberg - she's a RB breeder and a sucker for blue cats - I'm sure she would final him
Talking about judges, I'd bet CFA judge Donna Fuller would final him in a heartbeat too!
post #11 of 29
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Here is his discription:

When you run your hand backwards up his coat, the hairs are lighter silver at his skin and get darker about 1/2 way up the hair.

His pads are very dark pink (maybe a mauve) color.

He is about 5 months old now but will be 6 months in Feb.

He is neurtered.

He is ABSOLUTELY NOT declawed!!! (personal opinion-I hate that!!)

One other thing about him is that about the last 3" of his tail (which I feel is unusually long) can't stand straight. It's like when he is standing his tail looks like a " ? " mark, it falls over. Would that be a problem for him?

Went to CFA webiste shows and there is one in Houston the 5 & 6th, rats, missed that one. We live in East Texas.
There is one in Beaumont, Tx the 23 &24 of Feb and I talked to my daughter and we have decided to enter him!!!!
Will do my homework on how this is all done and don't either of you run off, cause now you both have ask for it.
This will be so much fun!!!
post #12 of 29
Nice list of judges for that show Not to worry, I'm not going anywhere. I do sugget you read the new bee link I attached, it does have a lot of good information!
post #13 of 29
Wow is he beautiful!! Amazing coat! That would be awesome to show him!!
post #14 of 29
I'm not gonna agree with the others on this one and I'm 100% of what I'm saying (doesn't mean you have to believe me though). He's blue! However he does have "ghost markings" and they'll disappear with age. It's extremely common in red cats and quite common in blue cats, sometimes you can see it in black cats.

What are ghost markings? Well, all cats carry some kind of pattern: either classic tabby, mackerel tabby or spotted tabby. Not all cats carry the dominant agouti gene though and it's the agouti gene that makes a cat truly patterned.

In some cases though, especially in red cats and kittens, you can see the pattern the cat carries even if they don't carry the agouti gene and that's what we call "ghost markings". Red cats usually live with the ghost markings through all their lives but black pigmented cats pretty much always lose the pattern with age and they become completely solid in color.
post #15 of 29
The more "unusual" things on a cat in a HHP class, the more likely to get the judge's attention - so a ? tail would be a plus

Don't worry we'll help you out with any and all questions. There's several threads in here on bathing cats, and some basic cat show stuff. On the CFA website, you can read about how to show cats (for the novice) which will give you some idea of what's going on.

The Feb show sounds good - will give you time to get things ready. For a first timer, I recommend taking:

4-5 matching towels (to complement your cat) to be used on the inside 3 sides, top and bottom of the cage. Club will provide the cage - you provide everything else.

Grooming supplies (q-tips, cotton balls, nail clippers, comb/brush)

Cat food and 2 dishes (one for food, one for water). Bottled water from home.

Litter pan (small) and bag of litter. Clubs have litter, but I like bringing my own.

Pens, a book to read if you get bored , small cat toys, feathers.

Wear comfortable shoes! You'll be walking a lot.



At the show, after you fix up the cage for him, then mark your catalog of when the HHP's will be in each ring - this will help you know which ring you need to be watching and approximately when. Be sure to write your cat's number on the catalog or your hand so you know when he's called.


I would give him a few trial baths (at least twice) before the show so you know when to wash him. Usually show cats are washed 1-2 days before a show. You want a clean, soft coat. I recommend you wash him in Nexxus Simply Silver shampoo with a little Nexxus conditioner (you can get Nexxus in your salon shops). Or you can order this: (its what I use on Charlie)

http://www.jefferspet.com/ssc/produc...HC3&pf_id=1253

Order the Sno-Flake Pet Shampoo - its great for ALL colors
post #16 of 29
She said the markings have gotten darker. They may or may not be "ghost" but I think they will stay. I've seen "ghost" striping on kittens, but if the markings are getting more, then its not "ghost".

You never know with mixed breeds - how do you explain a blue mctabby/white kitten who changes to a pointed (blue point, then seal point) and then into black/white cat?????
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
She said the markings have gotten darker. They may or may not be "ghost" but I think they will stay. I've seen "ghost" striping on kittens, but if the markings are getting more, then its not "ghost".

You never know with mixed breeds - how do you explain a blue mctabby/white kitten who changes to a pointed (blue point, then seal point) and then into black/white cat?????
This cat also lacks all of the typical tabby signs such as the light "eye liner", lighter ear contours, the white hairs around the mouth and the pinkish nose leather seen in blue tabby cats. This cat simply displays NO tabby signs except from ghost markings.

The phenomen you mention may be caused by many things. Infections in the mother while she's pregnant can affect the pigmentation in kittens causing fever coats and other similar funky phenomenons. Usually the end result isn't funky at all, but the whole pigmentation process can be disturbed and take longer time. Some cats display a strange coat texture which can make the color look strange. I have blue spotted cat in my lap as we speak, he's got no spots and is very pale blue, almost white, on his body but his legs and face are deep blue with tabby markings (the spots could be seen when he was a kitten). This is nothing strange in a Devon Rex because the coat itself makes colors and patterns look different than in other cats and the pigmentation is often bad, making it harder to determine what color they are.
post #18 of 29
This was from barn cats (Ling and her brother/sisters) - every kitten was this way - went thru the same color changes. I bred rexes and never had this happen. I've seen the "fever coats" - this was the weirdest thing I've ever came across in all my years of owning/breeding cats.

Even today in the right light you can still see the "points" around Lings face and legs - and the tabby markings on the side. We figure dad was a tabby - mom was a calico, but we didn't get the normal "calico" litter - they were all the same!

Will be interesting on this kitten tho - if he does keep those tabby markings on the body only
post #19 of 29
If this kitten would have been red the ghost markings wouldn't have been anything strange since red cats almost always show them (due to the red pigment). I'd say this is one of the few black pigmented cats with the same phenomenon. Time will tell if the ghost markings will stay or go but I'm sure it's ghost markings.

When it comes to your barn cats I can't really say anything as longs as I don't have any pictures, however there are many things that can happen during the foetal time and during the kittens development that can cause strange color phenomenons, I just don't think this blue kitten is a one of those strange phenomenons.
post #20 of 29
I was kinda hoping that my kittens would have stayed with the points and the tabby body stripes You never know about Mother Nature sometimes

I've also seen a "reverse" blue cream calico barn cat. She was basically white and cream but either had blue or blue tabby on her. However it was only 2 spots of the blue - on her ear and a very small patch on her back - so little of the other color you could not tell if it was a solid or a tabby.

Very unusual coloring and it was a male instead of female, I would have adopted her and shown her - I just prefer males to show
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I was kinda hoping that my kittens would have stayed with the points and the tabby body stripes You never know about Mother Nature sometimes

I've also seen a "reverse" blue cream calico barn cat. She was basically white and cream but either had blue or blue tabby on her. However it was only 2 spots of the blue - on her ear and a very small patch on her back - so little of the other color you could not tell if it was a solid or a tabby.

Very unusual coloring and it was a male instead of female, I would have adopted her and shown her - I just prefer males to show
I've bred a "reverse" tortie. She's warm red with only one or two black spots, but she's a tortie. I've seen a true calico male and Devon Rexes with so much white spotting and strange colored spots that DNA-tests have been demanded to determine color... so there are many colors that are hard to determine but in the en most of them are possible to determine. Often there's also a scientific explanation to deviations such as calico males and "freaky varieties of very common colors".
post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 
I am still doing research on showing him.

Will he need to wear a collar at the show? I have never seen a cat wear one, but I don't know about the HHP.

What "cage cover" color would be best to show his coloring off? I was thinking red, but please tell me yall's opinions.

like I stated in my post, I'm not expecting to have a "pure bred", and I have read before where you just don't find them in a shelter. But, after looking at British Shorthairs, Russian Blues, Charteaux, and Korats, I made a little chart and wrote down the requirements of each and the one he comes closest to is a Korat.
Lighter undercoat
Yellow/Amber eyes, then turn green as get older (mature to adult @2-4 yrs)
Blue nose
Blue, Lavender, pinkish tinged pads
Allowed ghost markings in kitten until adulthood (2-4 yrs olds)

He does have a lighter undercoat
He has yellow eyes, with green around the pupil and green getting larger.
His nose is blue
His paw pads are very dark pink, could be a dark mauve or lavender
And the markings. He has no "stripes" on his head, the are only on his sides, tail and legs, but like I mentioned before, when you look at him one way you can't see them, and look another way and there they are. I had a heck of a time getting a picture at just the right angle and light so that they would show up in a picture.
But you guys know way more than I do, and it doesn't matter, we just love that little man so so much we wouldn't care if he started turning pink, purple or green! hehe.

We can't wait until Feb. I am getting nervous already. I can see him with a judge...Baloo not letting the judge look at him, because he wants the judge to pick him up and love on him or the judge can't look at him for Baloo wanting to play with the feather or somthing. hehehe.

Oh, one other question....how often to yall go to shows?
post #23 of 29
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And the main thing I wanted to say is.........Thank You!!!!!!
post #24 of 29
Well I'll have to confess that Sol just may be right about the "ghost" striping and not a true tabby. Both Aby and I got fooled on this one

Anyway, cats NEVER wear a collar in a show ring. And I would strongly advise you if you are showing him to take off the collar for awhile so there is no collar mark on the neck. Many judges will think the cat goes outside (in US that's a no-no).

And with him being blue - I find the best colors would be medium green, gold, or purple. Not red I had Russian Blues and they looked outstanding on medium to emerald green or purple backgrounds
post #25 of 29
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Oh, yes, I see.......definately green, emerald green at that (my favorite color anyway). That should also make the green in his eyes come out even more!

Baloo nor my others wear a collar anyway, they are stickly indoors.
post #26 of 29
How often do I go to shows and show? As often as I can (not may shows in Asia) and when the pocket allows (it's very expensive to show in China and Hong Kong). As for background color, I would go with emerald green
post #27 of 29
That's funny, my friend's kitten was the opposite!
When he was young, you could see faint spotting in his coat, especially in the sunlight. As he got older the spots vanished.

Baby photo:



Adult photo:
post #28 of 29
Most blues that come from solid lines - like the BSH. The Brits do start off with faint tabby markings. And it is allowed for show purposes. However, judges expect to see little to NO tabby markings by the time the cat reaches 8-10 months....
post #29 of 29
Blues, creams, and reds show tabby markings almost all the time. Even RB kittens will have some striping on the tail/legs as kittens.

Aby's right- by the time the kitten is 7-8 months old they better not have the striping
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