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post #31 of 56
I certainly like Obama more than Hillary Clinton and I'm glad he won Iowa. I thought he did really good last night, he sounded like a young Martin Luther King to me. I really like John Edwards the best though, but I don't think he has a chance.
post #32 of 56
I'm an Obama fan as well, I don't he's been in politics long enough to become as jaded as the others, which to me is a good thing, he still actually thinks he can accomplish something while in office All I know is that whoever wins this election had better do pretty good job of cleaning up Bush's mess otherwise he (or she) will not be getting a second term
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
So because I'm younger than you, you expected me to be happy with my choices. Ok.

Perhaps I am "pessimistic" because I am younger than you. If I were in my 60's I wouldn't be so concerned about my future. I still have several more years to work. I see where the country is headed and I don't like it.

Fair enough. I hope things get better. I worry a lot about my daughter's life, too. She seems to have it so much harder, in many ways than I did.
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
For my entire life, I have seen (and been able to remember) only Bush, Clinton, and Bush.

How exactly am I supposed to think anything good of politics? Either someone who can't tell his knee from his elbow has been in office, someone who doesn't give a crap about our country or anyone else's and just tries his darndest to sell the government to his friends for their profit, or who was doing a pretty good job until a bunch of other people in politics decided to attack him about something that should have been between him and his wife. To the point where he couldn't do his job. 9/11 happened because when Clinton wanted to go after bin Laden, the attack dogs claimed he was just trying to draw attention away from Monica Lewinsky.

So. Forgive me if I don't trust the government.

I like Edwards, and am glad Hilary didn't win despite her foregone connections and absurd amount of campaign money.
As always, Zissou'sMom, you make really good sense. I can see it from your viewpoint. The loss of quality in our leaders is astounding. My awareness actually began with Eisenhower, but Kennedy was my first "adult" president. The day he was killed I felt evil had won some sort of battle in the world and my own pessimism grew.

You cannot remember this, I know, but Robert Kennedy gave an impromptu speech to a crowd of poor African-Americans in Chicago the day Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated. In the speech he referred to Greek poetry. The crowd listened and was moved.

Greek poetry? Can you imagine that from anyone in the federal government today?

I have a favorite poem that describes how I see the world today "...and let him glimpse the horrors of a society where the best lack all conviction/while the worst are full of passionate intensity." I feel some optimism because the current Democratic candidates seem to have some conviction.
post #35 of 56
I know this is a poor reason to like a candidate (so thank goodness I'm not American) but Barack Obama is very good looking!

I'm jealous that you all get to choose your leader, we get 4 years of squabbles over leadership in-between elections and the party leaders are whoever is most liked by the party MPs.
Which gives us a choice of 3 extremely similar people, who aren't very different to any PM we've had in the last 100 years.
We get to choose between someone who avoids action at all costs, and someone who thinks riding a bicycle to work (with his official car following behind) shows he cares about the environment.

Who you pick has the ability to (hopefully) really change your country and make a difference. I wish we had that.
post #36 of 56
The one thing I really, really like about Obama is that he is so against the big, special interest lobbyists. He is not taking any money from them and said that, if elected, NO one from a special interest lobby would be allowed in his White House. I really like that.

BUT, the man will tax us to freaking death. I hear people say that doesn't bother them. Nice words, but when it starts hitting you in the pocket book you WILL care. Do not think that the tax increases will only be the very rich because they won't.

What Bruce says about losing the rest of our dwindling manufacturing base scares me to death.
I do purchasing where I work and it is sad that most of the door hardware I buy is not made in this country. I do buy locks that are made here, the last company to manufacture door locks in this country.

My DIL caucused for Obama last week in Iowa. I am so proud of her for getting involved.
post #37 of 56
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The one thing I really, really like about Obama is that he is so against the big, special interest lobbyists. He is not taking any money from them and said that, if elected, NO one from a special interest lobby would be allowed in his White House. I really like that.

BUT, the man will tax us to freaking death. I hear people say that doesn't bother them. Nice words, but when it starts hitting you in the pocket book you WILL care. Do not think that the tax increases will only be the very rich because they won't.

What Bruce says about losing the rest of our dwindling manufacturing base scares me to death.
I do purchasing where I work and it is sad that most of the door hardware I buy is not made in this country. I do buy locks that are made here, the last company to manufacture door locks in this country.

My DIL caucused for Obama last week in Iowa. I am so proud of her for getting involved.
That's awesome! I think getting involved is the best way to learn about anything.

I'm concerned about be taxed more than I already am. Being single and "0" I already pay much more in taxes than I should. I only have one income and I can't afford to lose more in taxes.

Healthcare costs are continously rising and that is also hitting my pocketbook. Not to mention gas prices.

We need someone who can turn things around and be the least destructive. No matter who wins, there will always be a negative somewhere and we never find that out until it's too late.

We will always get hit somewhere where it hurts, but how do you lessen that when the country and its people are already hurting?
post #38 of 56
With the huge deficit Bush has amassed, I believe taxes will go up regardless of who is elected.

The German newspapers are predicting that Michael Bloomberg will announce his candidacy today or tomorrow. That would make for an interesting race.
post #39 of 56
I just received an anti-Obama email which I thought was in poor taste and I replied to the sender to that effect.

He informed me that he has PERSONALLY called Obama's church to inquire about becoming a member and was told that they only accept people of African descent as members.

If a white presidential candidate went to a church like that the scandal would rock the world.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm link to the church
post #40 of 56
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I just received an anti-Obama email which I thought was in poor taste and I replied to the sender to that effect.
Good for you! This time round, there are a lot of "minority" candidates, so I hope people will pay more attention to their plans/agendas, than their ethnic, religious, or political backgrounds,
post #41 of 56
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If a white presidential candidate went to a church like that the scandal would rock the world.
Very true, however I bet that alot of churches are exclusively white, simply due to location. I'm not saying they would object to someone of a different ethnicity joining the church, but that the way that churches cater to different types of congregation mean that the question often just doesn't come up.

Looking at their website they don't appear to be anti those of non-african descent. They obviously cater for a strong black congregation, but have this as their mission statement;

"W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ."

So if they do have a problem its very hypocritical.
post #42 of 56
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I know this is a poor reason to like a candidate (so thank goodness I'm not American) but Barack Obama is very good looking!
lol why some tests showed that was how many people voted.
Who was was better looking.
post #43 of 56
Lol. People have made voting decisions based on shakier grounds. At least these people got off their butts and actually went and registered their decision. That in itself is something to be proud of. Voting is not just a right and a privilege, it's a duty.
post #44 of 56
This friend of mine actually called the church to inquire about becoming a member and was told no because of his skin color. Sorry, but I do have a problem with that. It is a double standard that would be a HUGE deal if he were white and it was a white church.
post #45 of 56
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This friend of mine actually called the church to inquire about becoming a member and was told no because of his skin color. Sorry, but I do have a problem with that. It is a double standard that would be a HUGE deal if he were white and it was a white church.
Why? Catholic churches only let Catholics take Communion, you can only be truly Jewish if your mother was, blah blah blah.

If they aren't advocating anything against others, and just want to control their membership, who cares? And no, I wouldn't have the opposite opinion if it were a white church.

Anyway, it was probably obvious in your friend's phone call why he was calling (to dig up dirt on Obama to use against him)
post #46 of 56
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Anyway, it was probably obvious in your friend's phone call why he was calling (to dig up dirt on Obama to use against him)
They've probably been besieged with such calls, especially from journalists.
post #47 of 56
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Why? Catholic churches only let Catholics take Communion, you can only be truly Jewish if your mother was, blah blah blah.

If they aren't advocating anything against others, and just want to control their membership, who cares? And no, I wouldn't have the opposite opinion if it were a white church.

Anyway, it was probably obvious in your friend's phone call why he was calling (to dig up dirt on Obama to use against him)

Those are not the same things at all. I don't agree with not being able to take communion in a Catholic church either. Anyone can take communion in my church as long as they believe in Jesus. And if they didn't believe in Jesus why would they want to take communion. But that is just a smoke screen Z, to cover up the wrongness of Obama's church.

"just want to control the membership", what the heck does that mean?
A churches mission is to bring in new members.

And, of course people's opinion would be MUCH MUCH different if it what a white candidate and a white church and you know it.

When you campaign for President your life is an open book and we all know that. Why should Obama be any different? Because he is black he should get special treatment? I don't think so.

He goes to a racist church IMO.
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Those are not the same things at all. I don't agree with not being able to take communion in a Catholic church either. Anyone can take communion in my church as long as they believe in Jesus. And if they didn't believe in Jesus why would they want to take communion. But that is just a smoke screen Z, to cover up the wrongness of Obama's church.

"just want to control the membership", what the heck does that mean?
A churches mission is to bring in new members.

And, of course people's opinion would be MUCH MUCH different if it what a white candidate and a white church and you know it.

When you campaign for President your life is an open book and we all know that. Why should Obama be any different? Because he is black he should get special treatment? I don't think so.

He goes to a racist church IMO.

I don't like Obama either. Glad to see you've gone from claiming he's an extremist muslim to an extremist racist Christian though. Who said his life shouldn't be an open book? I just said I don't think it's a huge deal, and that its the church's right to allow membership anyway they want.

Obama, for his part, has said he doesn't always agree with Rev Wright, and Rev Wright has declined interviews. Their site says they are "unashamedly black", and it sounds like all the Afrocentric high schools, dorms, student groups.

Seriously, as has been pointed out, many many things in America are de facto if not on purpose exclusively white, and while I don't agree with that or even the ideas of being afrocentric or any other kind of -centric, I just don't think it has much to do with an individual from that congregation's bid for President. If he claimed he wanted separatism, or to do anything but make things a bit more equal, then it would matter.

But this is like people trying to shame candidates with their family members or their college parties.
post #49 of 56
Please provide a link to where I said Obama is "an extremist Muslim"
You can't

He does have Muslim connections via his family, like it or not. I have never called him an "extremist".

And I never called him an "extremist racist Christian" either so I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. What I DID say is,
"he goes to a racist church, IMO" BIG difference.

ANY church that turns away potential members because of the SKIN COLOR, is racist in my book.
post #50 of 56
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Please provide a link to where I said Obama is "an extremist Muslim"
You can't

He does have Muslim connections via his family, like it or not. I have never called him an "extremist".

And I never called him an "extremist racist Christian" either so I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. What I DID say is,
"he goes to a racist church, IMO" BIG difference.

ANY church that turns away potential members because of the SKIN COLOR, is racist in my book.
You didn't say it, but you compared him to Osama bin Laden and called him 'Barak Hussein Obama' for several posts. And started a thread with a bunch of similar rumors after the rumors had already been proven false in threads you particpated in (I'll give you that you posed it as a question, and may have just not read the posts responding to yours in previous threads, but it was still about being an extremist muslim). Since you never answered questions regarding why you were making sure to include the middle name, I can only assume it was some sort of reference to Saddam Hussein in your mind.

And I have yet to see any proof that people are absolutely turned away from the church aside from your friend, and I have been looking.
post #51 of 56
I never once compared Obama to Osama, never. What thread are you talking about that I started about rumors comparing Obama to Osama.

His middle name IS Hussein, is it not? He does have Muslim ties, that is the truth. Just a statement of fact.
post #52 of 56
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I never once compared Obama to Osama, never. What thread are you talking about that I started about rumors comparing Obama to Osama.

His middle name IS Hussein, is it not? He does have Muslim ties, that is the truth. Just a statement of fact.
http://thecatsite.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=16

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150204

Then again, even Rush and Hannity have quit harping on that and switched over to this bit about his church.
post #53 of 56
Oh good grief, did that smilie not indicate to you I was kidding? It was pretty obvious to me.
I have even heard politicians mess us and call Obama, Osama. Their names ARE pretty close.
Don't worry, no one is accusing Obama of being a terrorist.

And the second link was my thread, ASKING. I came on here and honestly, ASKED.
post #54 of 56
Oooooh dear. The old middle name thing again. You're really having a hard time letting go of that, aren't you Cindy?
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
I'm an Obama fan as well, I don't he's been in politics long enough to become as jaded as the others, which to me is a good thing, he still actually thinks he can accomplish something while in office All I know is that whoever wins this election had better do pretty good job of cleaning up Bush's mess otherwise he (or she) will not be getting a second term
I won't say I'm an Obama fan, but I do like the fact that he "gives hope". However my only issue with him is "How are you going to do it, Obama? You keep telling us 'change', but what exactly is your plan? When you step into the Oval office for the first time what are you going to do? Play WoW, grab a broom and start mopping the doodle marks on the wall, or begin making these 'changes' ?"

He did turn me off when he played the Oprah card. IMO Oprah isn't a good role model. Too many fans of hers depend on her opinion and what she says rather than taking the time to use your own brains.
post #56 of 56
The most convincing reason to dislike the Republican Party is its use of smear tactics against Democrats that run against them. I can only hope that people will see through it this time around.

Whatever anyone says about Obama's stand on the issues or his presentation of himself, he is a good and decent man.

He is a sincere Christian, is not racist (against the people that raised him?), and is not Muslim.
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