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post #31 of 45
The word essay can be used lots of ways, but a little kids' essay contest pretty much does mean it should be true. Otherwise it would have been a short story contest.

This is a case of a woman who knew better but figured out a way to say she didn't, and a company who didn't spell things out explicitly enough because they didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to not be able to figure it out. Kinda like the reason that we end up with warning labels on hair dryers telling us not to use them while sleeping.

I've been trying to find the actual contest rules but can't yet.

And either way, the company has no obligation to give that lady a prize anyway. She doesn't deserve it, and didn't win it fairly. Why should they reward her for being an awful person?
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
My assumption is that her father is on tour in Southwest Asia and is her biological.
I wonder why you think this. It really bothers me that this woman may have been telling her daughter that her father died just to explain his absence in her life. Does the child even know where or who her father is? This is going to be a big issue for this little girl either way.

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Originally Posted by cata_mint View Post
I think that if they hadn't tried to pretend her dad really had died (when her mum spoke to officials) then it would have been fine.
Just my
This doesn't seem to be the case. The mother seems to have admitted the truth once it was directly asked of her.

All the arguing over the word "essay" -- I wonder if the child could even read the contest instructions. Since Mom wrote the essay, wasn't she also the one that explained the rules? The definition says an essay is based on thoughts, opinions, feelings, etc. "My father died in Iraq" is a statement of fact. How could she have honest feelings, etc. based on an untruth?

It is easy to identify with the confusion the child must be feeling -- from her mother's explanation, does she understand what she did wrong? She really can't be blamed and I don't think anyone is blaming her. It's just that there's no way to get around it that the prize was awarded based on a lie. The mother's lie, but still a lie.

The poor kid.
post #33 of 45
Her father is quite alive and living in another town, according to the little girl's maternal grandmother (that is, the liar's own mom).

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Winter...4068368&page=2
post #34 of 45
"The mother had told company officials that the girl's father died April 17 in a roadside bombing in Iraq, company spokeswoman Robyn Caulfield said."

I took that to mean that the mother kept up the deception after officials questioned her, and only admitted the truth when she had been found out.
post #35 of 45
This is sad but the little girl should NOT get the tickets. Let the mommy explain to her little girl why they took them away.

And I have to agree with the others.

When I was asked to write and essay in school, it was required to be a "truthful" document. Like write and essay on "George Bush." That could have my own interpretations but in an essay you don't make up stuff willy nilly.

I could have wrote: "George Bush is a bad president, and this is why..."
But not: "George Bush is an alien from the planet Vultron with 7 heads and four..."

Now if I was assigned a short story, that would be a horse of a different color.

Any teacher teaches this. Dictionary.com may not have this in their definition but it is a "known" or a "given." This mother was obviously being overly deceitful in her child's "essay."
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
No, the contest did not state that the essay had to be true. It just stated to write an essay.

However the contest runners stated in interview articles about this issue that while the contest didn't specifically state that the essay had to be true, they had expected them to be.

Given that fact, the prize should not have been taken away from her. They asked for an essay and the mother helped her daughter enter one.

If the contest runners wanted a true essay, they should have specifically stated that it has to be true. You need to clearly specify the rules and not "assume" that people are going to abide by rules that aren't posted. How can they? It's like expecting someone to drive 20 miles per hour in a zone that doesn't have the speed limit stated and then giving them a ticket for having gone over the speed limit.

It's a lesson that the contest runners can take with them for any future contests of that nature.
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
She didn't. When they asked her if it was true, she told them "no." She didn't claim it was true. The contest runners who read it assumed it was based on its content. However when they asked the mother she did not lie and say that it was. She was upfront and honest and said that it was fictional.

Essays can be true to life or fictional. The contest did not specify it had to be "true to life", so I still say that the child should not have had her prize taken away because the contest did not state explicitly that it had to be a true to life essay.
This is worth repeating; I can't say it any better than this.

We don't know what the mom's intentions were, and if you've ever been quoted by the media you know that often what is printed is not what you've said.

And please let's not make derogatory comments about the mom's appearance, that's not cool and it is not relevant.
post #37 of 45
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Her father is quite alive and living in another town, according to the little girl's maternal grandmother (that is, the liar's own mom).

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Winter...4068368&page=2
Thank you for the link. That's what I thought I had read too. It still doesn't tell us what the mother said to the child though. How did she explain saying her father was dead? It's just so creepy.

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post #38 of 45
If (as it says in the link) the mother wrote the essay then she may not have even told the daughter what she had written to win her the tickets.
post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by cata_mint View Post
If (as it says in the link) the mother wrote the essay then she may not have even told the daughter what she had written to win her the tickets.
True enough.
post #40 of 45
Well, the mother has come clean. So no more rubbish about the rules not stating the essay didn't have to be true. She has apologised and said she used bad judgement.

I think the only reason she has apologised is because she got busted - but at least she isn't trying on any more lies about the rules. She said fair and square she did the wrong thing. That, at least, was a good thing to do - no matter what her motivation for doing it.
post #41 of 45
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22502162/


Why would you go to these extreams to win tickets to see a child onsage who is only famous because her father was back in the day. I dont see whats so good about hannah montana, in a few years she might be a decent singer/actress but for now she sounds like ..... well..... she dont sound good. IMO on her tv show she just comes off as a very spoiled brat, who for the most part dresses and acts way too mature for her age.
post #42 of 45
Threads merged.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by blondrebel76 View Post
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22502162/


Why would you go to these extreams to win tickets to see a child onsage who is only famous because her father was back in the day. I dont see whats so good about hannah montana, in a few years she might be a decent singer/actress but for now she sounds like ..... well..... she dont sound good. IMO on her tv show she just comes off as a very spoiled brat, who for the most part dresses and acts way too mature for her age.
Couldn't agree more. We saw her on Leno and were just sickened by her. She epitomises everything that is distasteful about teenagers these days. Just our opinions, but I certainly wouldn't want her as a role model for my daughter.
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by blondrebel76 View Post
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22502162/


Why would you go to these extreams to win tickets to see a child onsage who is only famous because her father was back in the day.
According to the video at the above link, when the mother was asked about what she told her kid about winning and then not being able to go, she first said that she told her the truth... then added "and that I refused to accept the tickets". When the interviewer questioned about having refused to accept or that they were taken away, she hesitated and replied "well, I did refuse them"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...99616#22499616

She also had her lawyer with her and a forensic psychiatrist with her. Who wants to predict how many law people she is going to attempt to sue in order to get rich from her story?
post #45 of 45
I wish there was a disgust smilie

I'm surprised this woman can lie straight in bed at night. If she sues I will give up. I really will.
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