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post #31 of 35
Originally Posted by Iluvdevons View Post
I think it comes down to individual dog personality and handling.
When Io and Circe were pups (family dogs who are dalmatians) the first dog they met was Lexi, a pitbull. She was the sweetest and friendliest dog you could ever meet. Her owner, Aaron, was great with her. She had been trained with a loving but firm hand. Aaron was always consistent with his rules, and I must say, she might be one of the most well-trained dogs that I ever met. (I can tell you that Io and Circe aren't that well-trained )

Because of their experience with Lexi, they just love pits. One day I was taking them to the Dog Run (it's a fenced in area that I think is about 5 acres where dogs can run off-leash), when I ran into a couple with three pits who were getting into their car in the parking lot. (Momma, Dad, and Baby pits.) I asked if Io and Circe could say hi (they were still small pups) and they said sure. Io and Circe were ecstatic and enthusiastically greeted the family. The couple then left with their dogs. A few days later, a friend of mine was in the Dog Run with her adult dalmatian, Cassidy. Cassidy was known for rough play, and began playing rough with one of the three pits I saw days earlier. The three dogs converged on Cassidy, and ripped open her side. The owners stood there as my friend managed to pull the dogs off. At this point, she was bitten, and the owners quickly retreated towards the entrance with their dogs. At this point, the adult female attacked another dog while the male dog attacked its owner. Someone with a cell phone called the cops, and the animals were taken to animal control. After a trial against the owners, the animals were PTS.
Why tell these stories? It shows how training can make a real difference in how dogs react to different situations. I agree with GoldenKitty45 that dog breeds were created with a purpose in mind, and it is up to the owner to know the breed of dog they adopt, and to appropriately train the dog accordingly. Oh, and if it is not clear, I do NOT believe that any breed can be painted with condemnation.
To add further, Io and Circe are dals who have never bitten anyone and love people. They were socialized with people and dogs from a young age, and I believe it has greatly helped both of them.
Your post illustrates how it comes down to the individual dogs and owners, not necessarily the breed. The first thing my parents did after they married was to get a Dalmatian, Happy. My brother was born 13 months later, and my twin and I arrived 3 1/2 years later. As toddlers, we all tried Happy's patience, and she never nipped or growled. Unfortunately, her tolerance didn't extend to people outside the family, and she tried to rip our milkman's throat out when he dared to put the milk in our enclosed front porch on a very frigid morning. She didn't bark or growl, but quite simply jumped him. She was then rehomed; a colleague of my father who lived in a very rural area took her in, and she never caused any "trouble" as she lived out her life there.
post #32 of 35
Yeah, personality can make a big difference - both the vet office and their groomers said that they are the nicest dals they have ever met I might also add that their mother, Angel, was one of the most laid-back dals I have ever met, which certainly helped them!
post #33 of 35
I just wanted to contribute another reason for a dog abruptly turning aggressive for those that say that the dog "was raised perfectly". It could be because of a tumor or other medical condition.

My sister's dog, Scooby, was a Great Dane, and was 4 (so about middle-aged, for his breed). He was incredibly sweet and loving, but all of a sudden he began to get aggressive for no reason, and had never been so in his life. The last straw was when he snapped at my sister because he wanted some of her food and she wouldn't give it to him (he was never given scraps or people food). He was quite big, and there was a child in the household, so they made the decision to have him put to sleep. It was theorized (but never confirmed) that he had a tumor that was the cause for the abrupt change in behavior.

It was heartbreaking because he still had his sweetness a lot of the time, but it just wasn't safe to have a 150 lb. dog with increasing aggression problems around, especially when it seemed his boundaries were breaking down. It had to have been a tumor in his brain; the change was just so drastic.

I really miss him. I didn't live with him, but he was always really happy to see me. I like to remember his big, stupid, floppy ears. My sister's decision was the right one, though. He was too unpredictable.

post #34 of 35
IluvDevons, your story is a perfect examply of irresponsible owners. Pit bulls should NEVER be taken to a dog park because of their predisposition for dog aggression. If you go to many pit bull forums, they are extremely against taking pit bulls to dog parks.
post #35 of 35
I've met some really nice pit bull type dogs; but they all had good owners. I don't know... maybe a pit bull is more likely to go bad with a bad owner than any other dog. In any case, I've known a poodle who was just plain vicious, and only got away with it because he weighed about five pounds. And I've known a german shepherd/wolf mix who was the most obedient dog I've ever seen.

Taking a pit bull to a dog park? Hmm... it depends on the dog; but genetic predisposition towards dog aggression (which wouldn't surprise me; that's what many of them were bred for--not for aggression against humans) should mean you know for absolute sure that the particular dog you've got doesn't have that predisposition. That means testing it with several dogs, and some of them more dominant-type dogs, before you even try it. Dog fights can end in tragedy.

Condolences on Scooby. It really does sound like there must've been a tumor. If it's any comfort, that kind of aggression probably made the dog confused, frightened, and ashamed... probably made him feel worse than his people. I'd call that "suffering" worse than pain; and it was probably what he would've preferred, could he have told them.
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