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"Santa died for your MasterCard."

post #1 of 13
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The topics about the commercialization of Christmas has been beaten into a pulp here but...
I could not resist posting this gem.

Man nails Santa to a cross to protest commercialism....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat...ta-cross_N.htm

My question is....
Who did Santa start out to be?
Here is one take on the history of Santa...
http://www.the-north-pole.com/history/

Do you agree with this guy's feelings about the commercialization of the Santa myth?
Poor Santa
post #2 of 13
That is just wrong on so many levels!! poor Santa.
post #3 of 13
I think it is kind of tasteless, but it may make some people remember the true meaning of Christmas. People that give gifts to everyone they have ever met, or just in hope of getting something in return just set my teeth on edge. It used to be a family time when your family got together, (even if it was as much fun as a root canal) had a meal, and a few gifts for the kids from Santa, and maybe went to church or shared something with someone that did not have much or visited someone that was alone. It certainly was not this "you are a bad person if you don't max out your credit cards" kind of foolishness.
I have my own little personal protest every year in that I do not decorate, I give gifts only to those very close to me, and this year and last year I am working as usual on Christmas.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2 View Post
I think it is kind of tasteless, but it may make some people remember the true meaning of Christmas. People that give gifts to everyone they have ever met, or just in hope of getting something in return just set my teeth on edge. It used to be a family time when your family got together, (even if it was as much fun as a root canal) had a meal, and a few gifts for the kids from Santa, and maybe went to church or shared something with someone that did not have much or visited someone that was alone. It certainly was not this "you are a bad person if you don't max out your credit cards" kind of foolishness.
I have my own little personal protest every year in that I do not decorate, I give gifts only to those very close to me, and this year and last year I am working as usual on Christmas.
I don't like the sound of your protest as to me Christmas is STILL about spending time with your loved ones. My family don't go overboard with presents but we still manage to celebrate Christmas in our way. It doesn't need to be all or nothing!! The people who max out their credit cards are usually the people who can least afford to so I agree that they're completely foolish.

I don't agree with what this man did although I understand the sentiment. Instead of shunning Christmas though, we should be trying to win it back from the retailers and materialistic people on the planet!!
post #5 of 13
It seems like Santa is even being pushed aside as well! Now that I think about it, of all the many, many, many Christmas commercials I've endured so far this season, Santa hasn't made many appearances. The background seems to be all about the symbolism of it-the songs, the jingle bells, the theme in general.
I understand where this guy is coming from & don't blame him a bit. Every year it seems to get worse. Or is that me just getting older?
post #6 of 13
You know, I'm really getting sick and tired of all the whining about how commercial it's getting, and how kids don't see the true meaning of Christmas, and blah blah blah. Like Cindy said in one of the other Christmas threads, Christmas is what YOU make it! If you want Christmas to be about Jesus - make it so! If you want it to be about family and loved ones - make it so! If you DON'T want it about the commercial aspect - then don't support it! Real simple.

No one is forcing anyone to spend thousands of dollars on presents. No one. No matter how many commercials there are, they aren't forcing you to do it. Guess what? There's no more or less commercials right now than usual - it's the same amount of air time on the TV. I don't see anyone crucifying Cupid or the Easter Bunny for making Valentine's Day or Easter too commercial (and believe me, I think V-Day is WAY overrated - talk about a Hallmark holiday!). Yes, the retailers pretty much depend on this time of year for big profit. Is that their fault? They provide a service or goods and the consumers buy them. And if the kids don't see anything about Christmas besides GIMME GIMME GIMME then the problem there is what the parents have taught them about the holiday, not the holiday itself or commercials or Santa.

If he wants to be a Grinch, fine. He can scar many, many children with that display who just plain won't understand the idea he's trying to get across. If he wants to remove the commercial aspect and get back to the Christian idea of what Christmas is about, then put up a nativity. That would be more affective, IMO. The shock value just doesn't do it for me.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
You know, I'm really getting sick and tired of all the whining about how commercial it's getting, and how kids don't see the true meaning of Christmas, and blah blah blah. Like Cindy said in one of the other Christmas threads, Christmas is what YOU make it! If you want Christmas to be about Jesus - make it so! If you want it to be about family and loved ones - make it so! If you DON'T want it about the commercial aspect - then don't support it! Real simple.

No one is forcing anyone to spend thousands of dollars on presents. No one. No matter how many commercials there are, they aren't forcing you to do it. Guess what? There's no more or less commercials right now than usual - it's the same amount of air time on the TV. I don't see anyone crucifying Cupid or the Easter Bunny for making Valentine's Day or Easter too commercial (and believe me, I think V-Day is WAY overrated - talk about a Hallmark holiday!). Yes, the retailers pretty much depend on this time of year for big profit. Is that their fault? They provide a service or goods and the consumers buy them. And if the kids don't see anything about Christmas besides GIMME GIMME GIMME then the problem there is what the parents have taught them about the holiday, not the holiday itself or commercials or Santa.

If he wants to be a Grinch, fine. He can scar many, many children with that display who just plain won't understand the idea he's trying to get across. If he wants to remove the commercial aspect and get back to the Christian idea of what Christmas is about, then put up a nativity. That would be more affective, IMO. The shock value just doesn't do it for me.
I could not have said it better myself!
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
You know, I'm really getting sick and tired of all the whining about how commercial it's getting, and how kids don't see the true meaning of Christmas, and blah blah blah. Like Cindy said in one of the other Christmas threads, Christmas is what YOU make it! If you want Christmas to be about Jesus - make it so! If you want it to be about family and loved ones - make it so! If you DON'T want it about the commercial aspect - then don't support it! Real simple.
Hooray!!!

My new hero
post #9 of 13
Although I basically agree with valanhb, I don't discount completely the need of retailers to sale sale sale and likewise the TV, radio, billboard, etc. advertisements encourageing us to do just that.

I remember the years I was raising my daughter and I felt a lot of pressure to give her the Christmas she hoped for and expected. It didn't help that the public school she attended had many kids whose parents had A LOT more money than we did. Also that it was the greed-is-good 80s.

I'm in my 60s and the pressure and consumerist atmosphere has gotten stronger every year. Partly because prosperity is greater for a lot of Americans. Most people just seem to have a lot more to spend.

That said, I can see the guy's point, but it is really tasteless and I'm glad I don't have to explain it to any little kids.

Basically, though, the only way to stop it, is to stop giving in to it. Who wants to start organizing a consumer boycott for Christmas 2008?

Then, I have a question: If Santa died for my Mastercard, how come I still have debt on it?
post #10 of 13
catnip, if I had any family nearby I would still spend the day with them, celebrating in our own small way. I don't so I am free to have my own little private protest. My SO grew up with the biggest bunch of loonies on the planet, so the thought of it makes him cringe.
My daughter and granddaughter are in Georgia and do not have the means to get here, so they went to Alabame with her inlaws to visit the other side of my granddaughter's family. They have remained close even though she divorced their abusive son, and I am very grateful for them. They are so good to both my daughter and granddaughter, and she will grow up knowing what it is like to have some extended family. Otherwise it would just be me, my SO and my sister.
post #11 of 13
Is Christmas too commerialized? Well, the act of giving gifts at this time of year was known during the festival of Saturnalia (Roman holiday), so I'd say it has been occuring for a LONG time.
It does irritate me that advertising for Christmas seems to start earlier every year. I feel sorry for parents of small children who might have a hard time waiting for Christmas to come. I also agree with katie=^..^= that all of the advertising creates pressure to buy an enormous amount of presents to meet expectations.
I do think that if you choose to, you can show your family what Christmas is meant to be by donating time and money to others in need. Volunteering is a great way to remember what Christmas is meant to be
post #12 of 13
what the heck? I don't even think this guy made his point. I think he just started a bunch of static, and I think he's blowing things way out of proportion. I too think his display is very tasteless and immature.

In my beliefs part of the reason we give gifts symbolizes the way the kings brought gifts to baby Jesus. I am also getting sick of the whole "Christmas is too commercialized" gimmick. If you think it is, that's your opinion, but it's only that way because you're making it to be that way. Our world is ever growing and evolving, so things are naturally going to get bigger. That includes the amount of Christmas decorations and gifts and advertisements.

Anyway...
post #13 of 13
I imagine that display had more than a few people explaining to their kids why the heck Santa was nailed to a cross.

I think that if some people can't be reasonable in their gift giving, that's their problem. Sheesh, make a budget if money is tight. Gifts are just that, gifts. No one has to give anything. Just because I don't spend $700 on gifts every year (the news said that is the average) doesn't mean they mean any less. This year was the first time my family had a full get together in years. That meant more than any presents ever could.

To be honest, like a few other posters, I'm quite tired of the whining about how commercial Christmas is. How other people want to celebrate is their business.

PS-I like Santa Claus. That display was just mean spirited.
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