colour of oriental cat

Hello everybody,
I'm new to this forum.
I have a question for oriental breeder.
My female oriental give me 3 beautiful babies (3 week old)!
My female blue spotted tabby and the male is chocolate.
My 3 babies are : blue male, chocolate spotted tabby female and ?? female.
I send you pictures of my second female.
First I though that she's lavender, but she's light...
Somebody can help me?
Thank you very much
excuse my english, it's not my first langage!
Carole

Looks like a lavendar tabby to me She/he is cute tho. Lavendar is sorta a bluish/pink.

With that combo it would be easy to get a lavendar.

Whatever color she is, she is just adorable!

GoldenKitty's got it, I think. Definitely not blue, too pinky for chocolate, and definitely a tabby. What a little angel she is!

I agree, although we call the colour lilac here, but it's the same thing. Sonic had 2 lilac brothers (not tabby though), it's a very pretty colour

Thanks for reply and your comments of my cat.
a oriental breeder (specialised in caramel cat) said to me that she is probably caramel ticked tabby (lavender based). I really think my female is caramel, because she too light for lavender (lilac)...
But it's too early... she'll probably change of colour with time.. I'll post you pictures in somes week... maybe it will be more easier to tell.
I read about the caramel colour, it's the gene DM. It's a dominant gene but rare.
Epona, do you have pictures of your babies lilac at 2 or 3 week of age?
Thank you for your answers.
Carole

I did wonder about caramel briefly - if caramel is a possibility from this mating you may have to wait a bit to see how the colour develops. Lilac is much more common, but if the dilute modifier gene is in the lines of the parents then caramel is a possibility.

If a caramel specialist tells you she's likely a caramel then that's going to be more reliable advice than us looking at a photo - the colour looks much lighter on my monitor at home than on the one I use at work!

I will PM you a photo of Sonic's lilac brothers over the weekend.

I thought caramel was more of a pinkish brown rather then pinkish blue. More like the color of the caramel candy????

Will have to do a little research on the colors

CARAMEL: Shows both a brown/orange tone and a blue tone on the same cat. The blue based caramels look like very muddy blues. The fawn based caramels are nearly taupe colored. All caramels have a metallic sheen
not seen on any other color except apricot. This metallic sheen is most obvious on the top of the head, the bottom of the feet and the elbows


FAWN: light lavender with pale cocoa overtones. Nose leather and paw pads: a light shade of dusty rose pink (no blue or lavender tones).

LAVENDER: frosty-grey with a pinkish tone. Nose leather and paw pads: lavender-pink.

Unlikely to get fawn from that mating, both parents would have to be carrying cinnamon and it's very rare so unlikely (if it's anything like it is here, a good quality breeding cat carrying cinnamon would have almost certainly been snapped up by a cinnamon/fawn specialist!), and fawns are definitely much lighter than that!

I'm back home again now, and on this monitor she's definitely more caramel, honestly, have a fiddle with your contrast, gamma, and brightness settings and she goes through several different shades!

I didn't say it was a fawn - just printed out the colors that were similar. I still think its a lavendar/lilac rather then a caramel.

Thank you very much for your answers!
It's impossible she is fawn, because the father is chocolate (recessive gene) and the mother is blue het chocolate... so the gene cinnamon is not present.
I think like Epona, she is really too light to be lilac... I think she is caramel.
But the colour can change. The breeder who produced caramel cat sent me picture of one of his kitten lilac based caramel at 3 weeks old. This kitten looks to be very similar to my female.
But I'll wait some weeks and I'll post you more pics or her.
Thank you for your help
I appreciate this!
Carole

I took some pictures of my cat today.
Maybe it will be more easier to tell her colour.





She is 4 weeks old.
Thanks
Carole

Very cute! I don't know lots about colors - why would she have the cream color and the lilac color - almost like a tortie?

Well now it does look more of a "brownish" cast to it. I re-read the color descriptions - maybe she IS a caramel.

Will be interesting to see over the next few months what color the little rascal is.....in some ways I'm glad I'm not into orientals (but really do like the more "normal" colors of the OSH). Seems too many weird colors

Lovely photos of your cute girl - and much clearer on the colour, I'm definitely leaning towards caramel now having seen those. Sorry I haven't had a chance yet to send you the photo of Sonic's brothers, but there is a different tone to the coat, they are more metallic looking if that makes sense, I know it's not the best description in the world! I am very fond of the Oriental rainbow of colours myself

The caramel description does mention the metalic sheen, but maybe that will come when the kitten drops coat and gets her adult coat? Or does the sheen show up on a month old kitten?

Yeah it's usually a case of waiting a bit - Oris don't get the fuglies as bad as other breeds because the coat is ultra-short, but there is still a noticeable change in coat quality. Sonic got his good coat through sometime after 8 months old, it's got a lovely sheen to it now he's an adult.

Although the metallic sheen is mentioned specifically in the SOP for caramel, all black/brown based dilutes will have a very shiny, reflective, coat - due to a combination of the ultra-short close-lying hairs and the way the clumped pigment distribution in the hair shaft scatters light differently than a non-dilute with even pigment distribution - but the main difference between lilac and lilac-based caramel is that a lilac specifies a 'frosty' tone, and lilac-based caramel specifies a 'warm, brownish-grey' tone - and the second set of photos in this thread definitely show a warmer brown than a lilac. If the kitten has good colour and coat quality then the metallic sheen will come with the adult coat.

Thanks again for your help everybody!!
Carole