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post #1 of 18
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As many of you know I periodically have trouble with the neighbors next door. They've hated the cats since they moved in even though they moved in knowing they were here! I understand up to a point as occasionally one of the cats have pooped in their garden or have gone on their property.

My concern is the children. They have picked up the parent's hatred. They come around the fence to throw rocks and other things and scream at the cats. They have also thrown things at them over the dividing fence. Yesterday they chased a cat over with long sticks. Once they even screamed out things about my family as they went by the house. Some of this is done right in front of the mother!

To tell you the truth I am very afraid of when they get older. With this much hatred in them now, I can only imagine if a cat gets in their way when they are in their teens! I can't imagine the conversations that mother has with her children! She doesn't seem to have much of a social life and I think she is choosing the cats to obsess over. I guess it keeps her busy! With everything going on in the world today is it really the end of the world if a cat goes on your property and sits there for a while?

Anyway, I guess I am just venting. I can't see raising a child to hate any animal even if they get annoying. It seems very unhealthy to me.

Maybe I'm wrong? Anybody got any opinions?

Thanks!
post #2 of 18
is it really the end of the world if a cat goes on your property and sits there for a while?

I totally agree with you, and seeing you live in New York, law states (in NY anyway), that cats are free roaming, meaning there are no laws against them going in your neighbors yard, the only thing I can think of is that they need to be up to date on shots.

It's dogs you cant have running loose because that is against the law in NY all dogs must be leashed so I can understand if a dog is on your property people may be concerned or mad.

My neighbor owns a dog, and I feed stray cats (and own 2 indoor cats) We used to be friends with our neighbors, then they turned against us and we dont even talk not even if we stare each other in the face, I think its because of the cats as we found out they hate cats over there, especially the father. Now I am unsure if there teenage daughter (19) and older son (21)also hate cats. There daughter when young loved our cats and fed a neighbors cat but I dont know if her Father changed her idea about them as I have seen her chase a cat once and yell bad things, but her Father was right there so mabye it was jsut to make him happy. There son has Asthma, but I dont think he has done anything or showed any remorse to a cat, I think he just tries to ingnore them. There Father has thrown tomatoes and rocks at the cats whenever they just go on his yard, and throws tomatoes in our yard no less.

He's even gone so far to stack up bricks and concrete against our chain link fence to prevent any cats from going in his yard by slipping through a holes in the fence, which is STUPID because they just hop over anyway, which on the opposite side is his back yard.

And when I feed the cats he can watch me from his yard, we have no privacy so he "observes" them, very creepy.

Now they own a dog and treat it like gold, i'll give them that. BUT MANY times there dog has bitten the mailman, been late with it's shots, attacked other dogs (not bad just guarding its house), and pooped on our lawn I cant even say how many times. The dog is nice towards us, never bit us, and used to come up to us to pet it, thats when we talked to our neighbors and were on there property. The dog is old now and we dont hate any animal, but if my neighbor hates cats so much, why is it right for his dog to mess up our lawn and be off the leash and come on our property to chase our cats, he's breaking like 3 laws there. (off leash, not up to date with shots, and not cleaning up after there dog)

We havent reported them because no cat was actually injured by him (as far as we know), and if we start something it may only make matters worse, so we just ingore our neighbors now and dont advertise we feed cats even though we know we do. Plus, I got all the strays fixed ans vaccinated and have the papers to prove it, i'm not breaking any laws and have proof i'm not just some crazy cat feeder,lol, especially since its only mabye 9 cats and I have 2 cat houses in my yard for them to sleep in even.

My point is these cat haters really should know there laws and limits and let us live in peace just as people with noisy dogs who bark all day and make a mess are left alone.

Unfortuntly I no longer can trust my neighbors so my fear EVERY DAY is I will wake up and find a dead cat or have them yell at us and start a conflict.
post #3 of 18
i dont understand how anyone can hate a animal, i guess we have been pretty lucky, my neighbor only said something about the cats one time, and that was when one of the strays had a litter of kittens in the back seat of his car becaues he left the window down. He just asked that we move the kittens and see about fixing her ASAP!
post #4 of 18
ugggh. I feel so blessed. I was brought up in a household where we were taught to love and respect animals. We always had rescues and last chance animals. My parents taught me kindness and compassion through the animals, and taught me the importance of keeping good care of them. I feel so bad for kids who don't get that exposure. Hating animals seems so un-natural to me, even people I know who aren't 'animal crazy' still smile when I have cute pictures of my cats and dog as my screensaver and such. I would be very wary of any person who 'hates' animals.......
post #5 of 18
Is there any way you could build an enclosure or a cat fence so the cats don't go into her yard? That way she has nothing to complain about. If one of the cats gets hurt you'll know they came into your yard to do it.

It stinks but I don't see a way to turn her into someone who cares. I only worry for the safety and health of your cats.

I don't understand animal haters either. My boss is one but he's also a sexist bigot so it guess it all ties together. I sooo want a new job!
post #6 of 18
I've had problems with cat-haters, too. I wish all of you the best of luck in dealing with the people around you who cannot love them.
post #7 of 18
I don't like misc. loose cats on my property. Their feces is a health hazard in my gardens and yard. But I also do not agree with anger at the animals, it isn't their fault and it sounds very scary that the kids are picking this up too like that! geez! This is why I am so scared to let any cats be indoor/outdoor. It is a scary world out there for many animals sadly!
post #8 of 18
I saw a Animal Cops show where a guy smashed a cat with a cart over and over again and when they arrested him he was confused and said "Why it's just a cat?"

Same attitude from your neighbors it seems. So glad I don't live in that situation.
post #9 of 18
You know what they say about kids who abuse animals, they turn into wife abusers, murderers etc. I think the only thing you can do to protect your cats is to build a cat enclosure or keep them inside. Best of luck.
post #10 of 18
This might sound a bit weird JIL05, but are your neighbors hard-core fundamentalists?

My DH was raised in this environment and loathed cats due to supersition and misinformation. Until we started living rural and were raided by mice -- we're talking rodent invasions worthy of a sci-fi film. A minor detail left out of Country Living magazine

I convinced him to adopt a cat out of sheer desparation (I've always been a cat lover). And I found a local sweetie stray to take care of our problem (who is still with us a decade+ later). Mr. Boo did it with skill and personality.

My DH is now convinced (done a 180) that cats will keep Hanta and Plague out of your home and they're friendly lap buddies, too He admits that it blows his mind that cats always know where "home" is; i.e, you can let them out and they always come back. Bear in mind, we live in a very rural part of the US where you can still let your cat outside with relative safety.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Kittee View Post
I saw a Animal Cops show where a guy smashed a cat with a cart over and over again and when they arrested him he was confused and said "Why it's just a cat?"

Same attitude from your neighbors it seems. So glad I don't live in that situation.
That kind of attitude is SO dangerous.
post #12 of 18
I'm going to have to agree with Bonnie about building an enclosure. It would be very easy for your neighbors to leave a little anti-freeze out in a dish or poisoned food, or worse yet -for the children to.
Another problem could arise if one of the children caught a cat, got bit, and the parents decided they wanted to sue.

As for the kids throwing stuff into your yard and the parents not doing anything about it, get proof and report it. But be ready for the neighbors to possibly retaliate -so make sure the cats are safe first.


For those that don't want cats pooping in their gardens. Mulch on top of the spoil wouldn't be as nice for a cat to dig in and will help hold moisture for the plants. Another option is to lay down lattice panels and plant the plants in the lattice spaces -again, no fun for a cat to try to dig in.
post #13 of 18
This is a classic example (one of many) for the need to keep cats inside only.
Problem solved.
post #14 of 18
This problem is easy to fix, just by keeping your cats indoors at all times. I can understand your neighbor being upset, they do have the right to not wanting your cats in their yard or having them poop in their garden. But, they don't need to harm any of your cats or show so much hate towards them, that is just stupid. If you feel your cats must go outside, then you can build a secure outdoor enclosure for them, that is close to your house. You can also put a perimeter fence around this enclosure, to keep the neighbors stupid kids from doing anything to harm them. How many cats do you have? This enclosure would not need to be that big, if you only have a couple cats. You could put ramps and platforms inside, for your cats to run and jump on, much the same way I have an enclosure for my bobcats and cougar. But, your enclosure wouldn't need to be as big. This enclosure will protect your cats from your horrible neighbors and their kids, as well as the many other dangers of letting your cats run free.
post #15 of 18
I'm sending prayers and vibes that those "cat haters" get a change of heart
I had a discouraging time on Saturday at our local animal shelter.Several teen dog-walkers had taken a dog to the pet store in his "adopt me" vest. When they brought him back, he saw the shelter spokescat approaching me & the dog went beserk, trying to get at that cat When the girl tried grabbing his collar, he tried to snap at her then redirected his energies at the cat. So I stepped in between the animals, held my hand flat at him, ordered him "MANNERS!" and he stopped. We locked eyes (normally I warn people to never do this, esp. to an aggressive dog) and I told him to leave the kitty alone and he backed down (if he bit me, I'd make sure he'd never get the chance to attack anything ever again) and the kids were able to get him inside the shelter.
The shelter attendant doesn't like cats and when I told her that the dog really isn't safe around cats, she said, yeah, he's bad news for cats. I told her it didn't seem to safe to adopt him out and she said, well, that's the cats' problems, they just need to stay away from him
This, after I saw that most of the donations to the shelter are to benefit DOGS plus, I've met two people who volunteered to socialize kitties and the shelter wants them to be DOGWALKERS instead
I think there needs to be a big social movement to improve the rights of, and the attitudes towards, women, children, disabled people and CATS!!!!
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by kimidee View Post
This might sound a bit weird JIL05, but are your neighbors hard-core fundamentalists?

My DH was raised in this environment and loathed cats due to supersition and misinformation. Until we started living rural and were raided by mice -- we're talking rodent invasions worthy of a sci-fi film. A minor detail left out of Country Living magazine

I convinced him to adopt a cat out of sheer desparation (I've always been a cat lover). And I found a local sweetie stray to take care of our problem (who is still with us a decade+ later). Mr. Boo did it with skill and personality.

My DH is now convinced (done a 180) that cats will keep Hanta and Plague out of your home and they're friendly lap buddies, too He admits that it blows his mind that cats always know where "home" is; i.e, you can let them out and they always come back. Bear in mind, we live in a very rural part of the US where you can still let your cat outside with relative safety.
I have to ask, "hard-core fundamentalist" what? Please tell me you are not insinuating Christians don't like cats.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I have to ask, "hard-core fundamentalist" what? Please tell me you are not insinuating Christians don't like cats.
i had a kinda 'knee-jerk' reaction to that terminology, as well, especially since i consider myself a fundamentalist...
but on-topic - the cats are legally your property. after building the enclosure, or making the 'indoor-only' decision - threaten a lawsuit for damages done to your property by their children... if you're willing to follow thru with it, that is.
thing is, the children are learning 'hatred' per se, they're learning that other people's rights & properties do not deserve respect if they don't agree with the importance of said rights & properties. rather a dangerous belief, IMO...
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Many Thanks for all of your replies! I can always count on this forum for lively discussion and other points of view!

I guess I should have said that the cats are feral and live in my yard, so I can't really keep them inside. Occasionally they will take a walk to investigate but for the most part they really just stay in the yard. The majority are neutered and I have hopes of finishing the rest early next year. As for the big Tom who arrived late last Summer, I really don't know what to do with him. I guess I will try to neuter him to, but he poses a problem as he is trying to be the alpha male and fights occasionally.

As for any poop, I go over there and check her front once every other week. This was kind of our agreement. I understand the other side to this and always try to work things out peacefully.

It is also my opinion that kids come into this world not hating anything and that it is a taught behavior. I really worry how her two sons are going to grow up in a world where there are so many cats and people who love them nevermind how they are going to deal with other things they disagree with.

I am going to try to get a cat fence up but money is a little tight and that will take some time. I agree that it is the right thing for them.

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I think there needs to be a big social movement to improve the rights of, and the attitudes towards, women, children, disabled people and CATS!!!!
I am so in agreement! It really is an odd thing, the amount of hatred that some people have for cats and cat caretakers.

I really don't know what I would do without this forum. Just to be able to talk to other people who don't think you are strange because you try to take care of outside cats is wonderful!
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