i'm going to watch the freak (Michael Jackson) on t.v. tonight

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I've been watching the Michael Jackson show. I agree he is really out there and very disturbing, but the main thing I feel is sadness. I think he is someone who was not prepared or able to deal with his fame (not counting the charges of abuse). Also, he doesn't appear to be able to deal with life as an adult. It seems to me that he is regressing to an almost child-like frame of mind, where his favorite things to do (as a 44 year old) are water balloon fights and climbing trees.

So the show has been shocking and disturbing, but ultimately I find it to be the story of a very sad and incapable adult human.
 

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I agree - I think his appearance change is caused by his father criticising him, 'your nose is too fat' - no wonder.
 

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Somebody who watched this needs to update me. I was out tonight. I think the guy belongs in a padded room.

Cindy: too freakin' funny!!!!!
 

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I need an update too, I didn't get to see it, I didn't know it was on!!
 

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I didn't get to see it either. How sad that a man of his music talent can't get with the times. He's still same ol' Jacko from the 80's. It's sad when people get stuck in a timeline and can't/won't leave it behind and embrace the present.

I'll bet the reason why he won't get a "manly" haircut is because the scars around his ears are so obscene that he's afraid to show them.

It's funny how they compared him to his sister, BTW, why does her skin appear to be so light too?

The rumour about him taking female hormones would explain the high voice and the need to be around children. It would also confirm the idea that his mind is degenerating to a child's.

I feel sorry for him.


(And it's not a "little" surgury MJ, any famous person who's had as much surgury as you would be the topic of gossip magazines, just look at Joan Rivers, she's up there too!)
 

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Here are my thoughts on this special.

Michael is really to be pitied. After I watched the whole thing, so many things bothered me about it. He stays in this huge 3,000 acre place Neverland surrounded by bodyguards, children and mannikans! He spends money like water- did anyone notice how that one shopkeeper in Vegas could not stop rubbing his hands together as Michael rushed here there and yonder shouting "Do we have that? I want that! Oh look at that, did I buy that? I want that?" To the tune of what did the reporter say that one shopping excursion cost him? Half a mil?

Everywhere he goes, he is mobbed by fans. His 3 children have to go out in public wearing masks for heaven's sake and they almost got trampled at the zoo, and not by elephants, but by people! I watched him when he fed Prince Michael the II a bottle and he was jiggling that baby so fast, it's a wonder Prince Michael the II didn't throw up all over his shirt.

He said the mothers just gave the kids to him as a "gift" and they want nothing to do with the children, preferring him and the nannies to raise them? Apparently two of the children have surrogate mothers.

He is a 44 year old man who was never allowed to have a childhood and his actions today are symptamatic of someone who has been horrendously abused. His entire family was not shown once in the entire show and the fact that he shares his bedroom with children on a regular basis is nothing short of alarming to me.

He kept saying he was Peter Pan- all I saw was a little boy lost.
 

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I agree. Its all so sad. You can see it in his eyes how sad he is.
Remember he never really had a childhood, he was working when he was 5 years old. He is trying to reclaim it.
I was making fun of that shopkeeper, thinking, dang hes chomping at the bit for all that money! What a creep!

But all in all, its very sad.
 

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I watched some of it, and I felt pure sadness of him. He was robbed of his childhood and seems to be so alone even though he is surrounded by staff.

I was alarmed at his statement about sharing his bed, any parent would be. Although I don't think its a sexual thing, just that he likes to have them close to him. Sort of like when parents let their kids get in bed to snuggle. Does that make sense?
 

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I feel bad for him for what happened to him in his childhood however it is NOT normal for a 44 year old MAN to sleep with young boys and he should be investigated for that!

Where are these childrens parents? I wouyld never let my children sleep with an adult man no matter who they are!!
 

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There are a LOT of Hollywood types who were robbed of childhood....Drew Barrymore is a prime example. She's not the most normal person in the world, but she is functioning better than MJ is.
 

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No one has mentioned this.... but did you see Micheal when he was feeding Prince 2 - how bad he was shaking..... this knees kept jumping up and down..... Anyone shaking like that should not be holding a child!
 

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As I said before I watched the documentary and I'll say it again. The whole situation is sad. You can call him a freak, or wacko jacko, but in the end it is still a person who now has children.

It will be really sad if he doesn't get the help he needs to get back into reality. Did you notice when he was at the zoo, he didn't even ask where his kids were in all the commotion.

I feel for his kids, especially because he wantes a girl and boy from every continent?! Yikes!

 

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Originally posted by Russian Blue
As I said before I watched the documentary and I'll say it again. The whole situation is sad. You can call him a freak, or wacko jacko, but in the end it is still a person who now has children.

It will be really sad if he doesn't get the help he needs to get back into reality. Did you notice when he was at the zoo, he didn't even ask where his kids were in all the commotion.

I feel for his kids, especially because he wantes a girl and boy from every continent?! Yikes!

That is just plain scary!
 

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That interview was frightening, from beginning to end--frightening and sad. I worry about the children, and not just for their mental health. Have you ever seen anyone lie so blatantly (about his surgery) and look straight in the eyes of his interviewer?

I think being childlike, in appreciation for the beauty of the world, with an innocent faith in the innate goodness of man, in keeping the imagination and sense of fun alive-are admirable qualities to keep, but this man really can't handle being an adult in any respect. He's not childlike; he's childish, and shouldn't be raising children. How tragic for his children! Would he notice if the fans crowded around him, and one of his children let go of his hand? I don't know. He seemed completely entranced by the adulation.
 

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On CNN tonight, there was talk and reaction to the show. One reporter was saying that the interviewer did an end-run-around on 'poor' Michael. Sheesh!
 

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I only saw parts of the interview on a news show today. I really think he might be mentally ill. It is so sad that someone so talented could become so unstable and freakish.
 

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I agree. He does seem very unstable and childish. I definitely wonder where the parents are in this situation and wonder if they are getting paid for letting their children go to him???

Can you believe after all this attention his latest records are now back in the top 100?! People are buying his records in the hundreds of percents! It's all just encouraging him.

and apparently that boy that reported he was sexually abused by Michael is living in a multi-million dollar condo somewhere. He had to move out of country cause Jackson fans were stalking him and shooting guns at his house.

It's all very sad.
 

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I am very interested by everyone's thoughts on 'the' interview, but no-one seems to have noticed the interviewer's techniques, and I think Martin Bashir should be ashamed.

It seems we all agree that MJ is stuck in a childlike timewarp, living like a young 11yr old, and that he is obviously harbouring some mental health issues, and battling with the aging process. My thought then is a) Uri Geller - his 'friend'- set the interview up. Firstly what kind of a friend is that, whom probably reassured Jackson that he would be treated with respect and care, and b) What in the world was the interviewer thinking when he started out to be all sympathetic, and 'I'm your friend ', and then at the end, corner Jackson, who seemed shocked at the change, and practically bully the poor guy for answers - and I do think MJ is poor.

To me he was like a child accused for something they don't believe is wrong, and not understanding why he is being accused, or knowing how to get out of it, whilst keeping face. I cannot believe that this man/child has much, if any notions of anything sexual, despite having children by surrogacy, or whatever means he has used. And while I agree it is not normal, and is a concern, that he, at the age of 44yrs old, is having children sleeping in his bedroom/bed, should we not, instead of thinking 'pervert', be thinking, why is this man not getting the help he needs to understand that it is not sociably, or morally, acceptable, and under what understanding are the parents of the children allowing them to stay in his bedroom overnight. If it is just harmless sleep-overs, and I personally think it may well be, then once again we arrive at a point where the only conclusion can be that therapy for Michael, should be sought.

The fact of his children to, is an area for concern. I think, that if he has nannies, then they should have been 'fuzzed' out or something, and been seen to play an active part in the children's lives. To remove access of the children from him, I feel, would only add to his mental decay, and even then, would he get the help needed ??? I think not.

The feeding of the baby incident was nothing short of shocking. The baby being jiggled up and down, as MJ, in such a state of high anxiety, didn't even notice half the cloth was in the kid's mouth, was truly disturbing. I saw something similar years ago, on TV about child nannies, with an eight year old girl who'd been left to look after her baby brother, and was upset over something. She too manhandled the child, and was upset and frustrated by his crying. The thing is, that she too, rapidly shook the child on her knee. There was a lot of media coverage on that, at the time too. Children do get frustrated, and MJ seems not really, mentally capable of understanding what is really going on around him, and thus, I suppose, gets very frustrated.

To me, he looked in the eye of the interviewer, and said I've only had two plastic surgery procedures, like a child saying it hadn't eaten a chocolate bar. MJ looked crushed at the end of the interview, and I can only think about his crumbling mental state, and how desperately alone and pained he must have felt the night after Bashir had left. The fact is that if MJ didn't seek help before, he may not seek it now, and this interview - regardless of the money he makes from sales - because who truly believes that he has a concept of the value of money ? - only adds to his list of abuse, and bad memories.

So, really, how helpful was this interview, other than to give us all something to gawp at and pity ?

I am not really a fan of Michael Jackson's. I did go to a concert of his, but mainly because of the show - I'm a trained theatre Technician - and I do think the guy has an amazing gift for dancing. When watching the programme, where I thought you'd see more of his showmanship, his thoughts on the production of his stagecraft, and how he sees himself, I was saddened to find him such a desperately unhappy man/child - the brunt of media accusations, and a victim of a disturbingly poor level of mental health. He is trapped in a lose/lose situation, and whom, to me is not waving, but drowning.
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Not Waving But Drowning by Stevie Smith

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.

Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.

Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning

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Peace, Love, and Happiness, Always
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