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post #31 of 40
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really for those that think the terror threat is JUST made up, i would suggest you read
http://www.amazon.com/Schmoozing-Ter...6739331&sr=1-1
I don't think anyone is suggesting the terror threat is made up. Of course it's not. I mean, 9/11 did happen, didn't it? And Bali, and London, and Spain. Of course it's a real threat.

The point being made here is that a real threat has been manipulated and used by the government to push their own agenda. And that is just as scary, IMO.
post #32 of 40
the statement made was "is using the perceived threat of terrorism" as if it was being made up.

lol the agenda of most goverments even my own, i tend not to like :P
post #33 of 40
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
If you think about it, alot of this is the end result of the north winning the civil war. the war was after all about state rights vs the federal goverment
Yes, valid point, and Lincoln himself agonized about violating the Constitution in order to keep the south as part of the nation.
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I don't think anyone is suggesting the terror threat is made up. Of course it's not. I mean, 9/11 did happen, didn't it? And Bali, and London, and Spain. Of course it's a real threat.

The point being made here is that a real threat has been manipulated and used by the government to push their own agenda. And that is just as scary, IMO.
It's not that its made up, more or less whether you believe its a threat or not.

It can be perceived as a big threat, or perceived as a big propoganda and things aren't "as bad" as we make it.
post #35 of 40
What really bugs me about the whole "War on Terror" is that there is a model for living with extended and *real* terrorism. It's something the UK learnt to cope with during the IRA attacks.

Now they seem to have forgotten most of those lessons (and the USA never had them to begin with). Initially they'd been all: We need to detain people longer! Harsh interrogation techniques might be needed etc. etc. but then after putting innocent people in prison and things not really helping they figured out that actually solid policework is the most effective way to fight back.

Just your bog standard, lets hunt for clues and be competent and follow the law in our investigation.

Also in many ways the IRA was more of a threat than the extremist muslim one now, since they actually blew stuff up all the time. Granted 9/11 was on another and bigger scale.

It was really interesting though in the most recent London bombings to see how people reacted. Most of them lashed back with black humour and took pride in not getting hysterical and baying for blood. The politicians didn't really follow suit since then though, they're all about grabbing more power and mostly people are letting them *sigh*

It's just like torture really doesn't work (not to mention the ethical consequences) and yet there seems to be a love affair with the concept among some of the higher ups in the US.
post #36 of 40
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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
What really bugs me about the whole "War on Terror" is that there is a model for living with extended and *real* terrorism. It's something the UK learnt to cope with during the IRA attacks.

Now they seem to have forgotten most of those lessons (and the USA never had them to begin with).

Also in many ways the IRA was more of a threat than the extremist muslim one now, since they actually blew stuff up all the time. Granted 9/11 was on another and bigger scale.
Yea, but most americans dont want to deal with pulling into a hotel or a parking lot to the mall with armed guards stopping you to look under your car and trunk like we had to do in indoensia, lot of this was new. to the gerenal public here. England had a long time to get used to the IRA. So far there have been several smaller attampts here,but they have failed.

i may be wrong, but i dont think the IRA was looking for wmd. As the recent bust in europe shows

htttp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/29/nuclear.arrests.ap/index.html
or as video and documents showed looking for biological weapons.

if you look into it there goal is not just the the west out of the middle east.
there is some difference between the 2 groups.
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Yea, but most americans dont want to deal with pulling into a hotel or a parking lot to the mall with armed guards stopping you to look under your car and trunk like we had to do in indoensia, lot of this was new. to the gerenal public here. England had a long time to get used to the IRA. So far there have been several smaller attampts here,but they have failed.

That's very true...look at now, we whine when we go to the airport and have to go through security, take off our shoes and walk across a threshold that 100s of other people have gone through.

I've seen security briefs and photos of what its like in Israel and there is no way americans would tolerate that. A mall for example would have the entrance on the second floor, with a security checkpoint about 100 feet before it. Making several people go up a ramp would be horrible...it would be exercise!
post #38 of 40
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Yea, but most americans dont want to deal with pulling into a hotel or a parking lot to the mall with armed guards stopping you to look under your car and trunk like we had to do in indoensia, lot of this was new. to the gerenal public here. England had a long time to get used to the IRA. So far there have been several smaller attampts here,but they have failed.

i may be wrong, but i dont think the IRA was looking for wmd. As the recent bust in europe shows

htttp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/29/nuclear.arrests.ap/index.html
or as video and documents showed looking for biological weapons.

if you look into it there goal is not just the the west out of the middle east.
there is some difference between the 2 groups.
I went to the Bellagio this past Sunday to see the Conservatory decorated for CHRISTMAS and there was a guard as I drove UP to the parking garage that checks people trunks before they are allowed through. I don't think she was armed though.
post #39 of 40
If America had leaders that were talking to us directly about these things, I think we would be capable of a lot more to protect ourselves.

Although there's been a lot of grumping and complaining, there's no protest groups or letter-writing campaigns against airport security.

Maybe it's better to keep us shopping and spending and afraid than to help us stand up and face things like we should.

Of course I believe that about global warming too so maybe I'm just a -eyed optimist.
post #40 of 40
The last sentence in that post printed really funny! I meant a (bird that says blank-a-doodle-doo) -eyed optimist.
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