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post #1 of 29
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Aetheists are the reason for all the world's ills, according to the current pope.

Talk about a CROCK! Revisionist thinking doesn't erase the atrocities that have been committed in the name of God.

I'm a non-believer, and I do more charitable work than a huge number of "christians" that I know.

This kind of religious propaganda really, REALLY ticks me off.

This further confirms for me that leaving the Catholic church was THE RIGHT CHOICE for me. What a crock!
post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Aetheists are the reason for all the world's ills, according to the current pope.

Talk about a CROCK! Revisionist thinking doesn't erase the atrocities that have been committed in the name of God.

I'm a non-believer, and I do more charitable work than a huge number of "christians" that I know.

This kind of religious propaganda really, REALLY ticks me off.

This further confirms for me that leaving the Catholic church was THE RIGHT CHOICE for me. What a crock!

Oh honey, Atheists are the most misunderstood group of people out there. In fact, I had a friend that told me it was easier to come out as a lesbian than it was to tell her family she was an atheist.

If we are going to be a tolerant society we have to learn to accept everyone for what they bring to the table.
post #3 of 29
I hate this kind of stereotyping as well I think it's just one more scare tactic the Catholic church uses to keep their members in line. There a heck of a lot more Christians/Muslims/Buddhists etc than there are atheists, but we're the cause of all the world's ills??
post #4 of 29
As a non-practicing Catholic, I just try to remember that most Popes are really just "old men".
post #5 of 29
Actually, I don't find this surprising at all. Go to the catholic league's website and try reading their "Catalyst Online" section. It reads very much like the KKK's "press releases" section. Purely hateful.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Actually, I don't find this surprising at all. Go to the catholic league's website and try reading their "Catalyst Online" section. It reads very much like the KKK's "press releases" section. Purely hateful.
So I guess Love Thy Neighbor only applies if the neighbors are Catholic?

I'm not surprised by it, just angered. I don't diss anyone for their faith - whatever works for folks is wonderful.

But the inability of the Catholic church to accept responsibility for their own blood-thirsty actions over the centuries - not to mention protecting child molestors while allowing them continued contact with children within the last century (and "God" knows how many hundreds of years prior,) well, I'm sorry, but I find it thoroughly disgusting.

And to now blame all injustices and violence on non-believers, well, that's just icing on the cake.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
So I guess Love Thy Neighbor only applies if the neighbors are Catholic?

I'm not surprised by it, just angered. I don't diss anyone for their faith - whatever works for folks is wonderful.

But the inability of the Catholic church to accept responsibility for their own blood-thirsty actions over the centuries - not to mention protecting child molestors while allowing them continued contact with children within the last century (and "God" knows how many hundreds of years prior,) well, I'm sorry, but I find it thoroughly disgusting.

And to now blame all injustices and violence on non-believers, well, that's just icing on the cake.
I look at it as being a political tactic known as "confederacy". Dictators have been using it successfully for centuries. It's just the act of "rallying against a common enemy". It's those very acts you mention, the molestors, and the general loss of influence of the church that has them at this point. To blame another religion will get them into a fight they don't want to fight, so the pope has chose an enemy that he can rally all catholics, and even other religions against.

Pretty smart actually. It worked for Momar Kadaffi, for a while.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
As a non-practicing Catholic, I just try to remember that most Popes are really just "old men".
That was funny! I can't help but agree. Unfortunately, too many people take the words of these possibly senile old men to heart.
post #9 of 29
He's no John Paul II, is he?

I'm not a Pope follower, but gosh this is seriously hateful! Of course, my first reaction when I read it was "At least it takes the focus off of us evil Pagans...", which wasn't the right reaction and I know it. There is no acceptance of anything outside of Catholicism.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Aetheists are the reason for all the world's ills, according to the current pope.:
Sin is the reason for all the world's ills, and seeing as how Catholic Popes are sinners along with every other human that has ever lived or will live, share in the blame for those ills. Religious people of every religion and non-religious people alike have done their share. I think that when a religion is powerful or when it predominates, then naturally by sheer force of numbers and influence they do more than their share. It's not inherent in any one religion or another; it's just the nature of mankind.
post #11 of 29
Unfortunately, the current Pope seems to be one of the religious people who cannot imagine how anyone could be a good person without fear of punishment from some sort of higher power.
post #12 of 29
My husband is a reformed catholic, or in other words an aethiest. He was so angry at the teachings of that particular religious sect that he is unable to accept any christian religion as an adult. He actually attended one of the churches that uncovered one of the child molestors (he wasn't an alter boy so was unaffected by it) and all they did was transfer him to another church. I was hoping that with a new pope, he would bring some contemporary thinking with him, but apparently not so. Classifying folks as non-believers was the first step in the european inquisitions so many years ago. How many people were killed over that one? Hmmm.........
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
So I guess Love Thy Neighbor only applies if the neighbors are Catholic?
Did you skip that class in Sunday school? Of course, along with all the other golden rules!

I agree, if you are against the "norm" then you are misunderstood. I personally haven't met an athiest, however from a personal standpoint, when you read or hear about them in the news it's usually the ones making the others look bad.
post #14 of 29
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My husband is a reformed catholic, or in other words an aethiest. He was so angry at the teachings of that particular religious sect that he is unable to accept any christian religion as an adult.
I feel the same way as your DH. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
post #15 of 29
The Pope seems to be thinking mostly of those millions of atheists that were Communist. Mainly the Russian ones.

He just recently refused to meet with the Dalai Lama, evidently because he was afraid of angering the Chinese -- a government of atheists.

What will they think of this?
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
The Pope seems to be thinking mostly of those millions of atheists that were Communist. Mainly the Russian ones.
Where do you get this interpretation from? I read a blanket condemnation, not one that singles out any one ethinicity.
post #17 of 29
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Where do you get this interpretation from? I read a blanket condemnation, not one that singles out any one ethinicity.
History has proven wrong ideologies such as Marxism which say humans had to establish social justice because God did not exist, the Pope wrote.

"It is no accident that this idea has led to the greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice," the Pope said. Such a concept was grounded in "intrinsic falsity."

Marxism, the Pope wrote, had left behind "a trail of appalling destruction" because it failed to realize that man could not be "merely the product of economic conditions


I made the remarks about China because it is a Communist country and therefore atheist. I found it ironic that while he is courting the Chinese even to the point of refusing to meet the Dalai Lama after saying he would, he issues this.

Just a thought.
post #18 of 29
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OK, thanks. I still think that was simply used as an example, but we are all allowed our own interpretations.

Maybe I'm a Marxist, then? I don't know, I've never read much into the communist political systems.
post #19 of 29
It's fine.

You don't want to be a Marxist though -- it's soooooo like yesterdays news.

Did you see anything on TV about the movie called The Golden Compass? Catholic higher-ups are going bonkers warning all the rank-and-file not to see it because it was written by an atheist. They think children who see it will want to read the books its based on and be swayed from the faith. It's way worse than Harry Potter.

A review:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...21/story.jhtml
post #20 of 29
Keep in mind that Pope Benedict is a German, and his experience of a divided Germany may very well have colored his views of Marxism/the former Soviet Union. That may also have some bearing on his not meeting with the Dalai Lama at this time; Chacellor Merkel recently did, and it has put a real strain on Sino-German relations.
post #21 of 29
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Keep in mind that Pope Benedict is a German, and his experience of a divided Germany may very well have colored his views of Marxism/the former Soviet Union. That may also have some bearing on his not meeting with the Dalai Lama at this time; Chacellor Merkel recently did, and it has put a real strain on Sino-German relations.
I hadn't thought of the German history.

The Tibetans definitely think that the German experience is effecting the Pope's decision. Also that he had made it a goal to form better relations with China. Why? I wonder.

Either way, this kind of pronouncement only drives more people from the church. Which is fine with me.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
I hadn't thought of the German history.

The Tibetans definitely think that the German experience is effecting the Pope's decision. Also that he had made it a goal to form better relations with China. Why? I wonder.
The Chinese government insists on naming Catholic leaders, e.g. cardinals, itself, rather than leaving it up to the Church. That's something the Pope wants to change.
post #23 of 29
I find it very hypocritical of him not to meet with the Dalai Lama in order to have better relations with China. It seems like the Pope is acting more like a politician than a religious leader.

Where in the Bible does it say "thou shalt submit to the will of a repressive anti-Christian government for strategic reasons"?

Unfortunately, it seems that too many in religious hierarchy are more concerned with power than with truth. If the Pope was truly a man of God (or a good man) he would not be concerned about what is the most efficient way of getting more converts and more power over Christians but he would stand up for what is right. In that case, he would meet in good faith with the leader from another religion and stand up to the Chinese government for their abuse of the Chinese and Tibetan people (regardless of their religion).

I really hope that Catholics will see that and not take the Pope's comment on Atheists too seriously.
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
My husband is a reformed catholic, or in other words an aethiest. He was so angry at the teachings of that particular religious sect that he is unable to accept any christian religion as an adult. He actually attended one of the churches that uncovered one of the child molestors (he wasn't an alter boy so was unaffected by it) and all they did was transfer him to another church. I was hoping that with a new pope, he would bring some contemporary thinking with him, but apparently not so. Classifying folks as non-believers was the first step in the european inquisitions so many years ago. How many people were killed over that one? Hmmm.........
None of the above or any hate for that matter has anything whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ the Son of God. I pray people would know that and not blame God or his Son for human sin.
post #25 of 29
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I find it very hypocritical of him not to meet with the Dalai Lama in order to have better relations with China. It seems like the Pope is acting more like a politician than a religious leader.
I rather think they're one and the same in most countries nowadays. Just look at the "Teddy Bear" thread here. Does anybody really believe that the teacher/school wasn't targeted because the UK "had the audacity" to censure the situation in Darfur?
post #26 of 29
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I rather think they're one and the same in most countries nowadays. Just look at the "Teddy Bear" thread here. Does anybody really believe that the teacher/school wasn't targeted because the UK "had the audacity" to censure the situation in Darfur?
Actually I was thinking that it was leftover hard feelings from the civil war. But you're probably more correcter than I am
post #27 of 29
In fairness, too, the Dalai Lama is a head of state, too. His assistant said he was OK with it because he had met with the Pope just last September.

Do you think in the Catholic mind that Buddhists are atheists or agnostics? We don't really have a God creator or even a Savior.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
Do you think in the Catholic mind that Buddhists are atheists or agnostics? We don't really have a God creator or even a Savior.
While some Catholics may believe that, I rather think the Catholic Church doesn't teach that, based on my own experience. I attended a Roman Catholic high school, where our religion classes focused on Catholicism and the Eastern Orthodox Church (and I got a good, but unintended, laugh my first week there when a teacher asked me what I knew about Vatican II [a reform], and I replied that I'd never heard of a pope of that name).

I then attended a Jesuit university, and we had to take 9 credits/3 courses in theology. My first was called "Comparative Religions", and focused on Eastern religions like Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc., the second was "The Theology of Martin Luther", and the third was "The Historical Jesus", which concentrated on Judaism in those days. I never got the impression from my Jesuit professors that other religions were belittled in any way, but Jesuits have always been considered the renegades of the Catholic Church. That university (in Philadelphia, PA) may have been a bit of an exception, though, because many Jews and Muslims (and several Hindus and Buddhists) attended it, and we had a resident rabbi and a small synagogue, and kosher food in the cafeteria. Ah, the joys of the "City of Brotherly Love" - I miss it.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
In fairness, too, the Dalai Lama is a head of state, too. His assistant said he was OK with it because he had met with the Pope just last September.
True. But I don't really see the Dalai Lama acting like a typical politician (i.e. willing to sacrifice ethics for strategic gains and for power). Unfortunately, I don't think the same can be said of the Pope.
Actually, when I made my earlier comment about the Pope acting like a politician, I didn't even think that he was a head of state.


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While some Catholics may believe that, I rather think the Catholic Church doesn't teach that, based on my own experience. I attended a Roman Catholic high school, where our religion classes focused on Catholicism and the Eastern Orthodox Church (and I got a good, but unintended, laugh my first week there when a teacher asked me what I knew about Vatican II [a reform], and I replied that I'd never heard of a pope of that name).
Actually, I'm pretty sure what Katie was saying was not that Catholics believe that Buddhists are atheists or agnostic... she was saying that Buddhists actually ARE atheists or agnositics.
It's not an insult... it's a fact. Buddhists do not believe in a creator God. When asked whether there was a God (or Gods), Buddha always said it was irrelevant. What matters is ending suffering. So even Buddha was an agnostic.

So hopefully catholics (and people of all religions) can understand that even if someone does not believe in God, it doesn't mean that they don't believe in anything, or that they don't have values.
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