five largest shorthair domestic cat breeds?

Originally Posted by chausiefan

i dont consider safari cats domestic they are a domestic wild cat cross

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So are the bengals

NO wild cat cross will ever be accepted into CFA.

there are some old golf clubs who would not accept female members.

CFA not accepting bengals, does that make them less nice and pretty.
Obviously there are many people worldwide who would pay a lot of money for savannah, bengal, even safari and the super expensive Ashera.
Cats are not factory made, who cares if some organization accepts it or now as long as the people like it.
maybe it will change one day.

if i could get your hands on a F1 kitten of a Bengal and the asian marble cat, would you care about CFA?

f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

anyways bengals here are accepted into the canadian cat shows and I thought they were accepted in the american as well

bengals seem to be even more popular then siamese these days! I dont consider them hybirds they have a tiny bit of wild blood in them which is like 3% but in general they are domestic cats, they just look wild

Originally Posted by chausiefan

f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

anyways bengals here are accepted into the canadian cat shows and I thought they were accepted in the american as well

bengals seem to be even more popular then siamese these days! I dont consider them hybirds they have a tiny bit of wild blood in them which is like 3% but in general they are domestic cats, they just look wild

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bengals of the first F1- F3 are wild by definition on wild blood in them ( i dont call them wild personally)... F4 or sbt have 6.25% wild blood so if you keep breeding f4 to f4 the f5 will be domestic

Originally Posted by chausiefan

f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

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Where are you getting your info? I know many many owners who will flat out disagree with you and that statement.

Please.........don't make these sorts of statements in public forums unless you have first hand experience.

Do you own a bengal? Is it a Filial? If not please refrain. You can't possiblly have an opinion, if you have never owned an early generation bengal.

ok sorry i should of said the few that ive seen didnt make great pets

the ones that were not f1s-f2s seem great

yeah its just my experience and what a few breeders have told me in regards to wanting an f1 as a pet because a while ago I really wanted one, FEw nice breeders were honest with me in regards to what i would be getting into, they didnt sugar coat them out to be these "amazing pets" that they certainly arent

They have a lot of wild blood in them, and i dont think they should be allowed to be sold to just anyone without a permit, and it makes me sick how wild cats are falsely marketed as
"great pets" in the end who suffers? Its the poor wild cats that suffer!

Sorry but wild animals were meant to live in jungles NOT cages in houses but yeah thats my opinion which im ALLOWED to have

so many catterys kept their leopard cat crosses in cages, because of many diff reasons, i just wanted to puke, I HATE seeing cats in cages I think if you cant have a cat free ranging in the house you shouldnt have a cat at all

Originally Posted by chausiefan

ok sorry i should of said the few that ive seen didnt make great pets

the ones that were not f1s-f2s seem great

yeah its just my experience and what a few breeders have told me in regards to wanting an f1 as a pet because a while ago I really wanted one, FEw nice breeders were honest with me in regards to what i would be getting into, they didnt sugar coat them out to be these "amazing pets" that they certainly arent

They have a lot of wild blood in them, and i dont think they should be allowed to be sold to just anyone without a permit, and it makes me sick how wild cats are falsely marketed as
"great pets" in the end who suffers? Its the poor wild cats that suffer!

Sorry but wild animals were meant to live in jungles NOT cages in houses but yeah thats my opinion which im ALLOWED to have

so many catterys kept their leopard cat crosses in cages, because of many diff reasons, i just wanted to puke, I HATE seeing cats in cages I think if you cant have a cat free ranging in the house you shouldnt have a cat at all

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My only response to this is: I'm sorry you are SO misinformed. Maybe things are different in Canada.

umm I think it is the same here as it is there


http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/breeds.shtml

"The higher percentage Bengals are not nearly as social, in general. There are always expections to the rule, but most F1-F4 Bengals are going to be much more standoffish. They will want to be around, but not touched."

Since when does a "good pet" not want to be peted by its owner? lol

I know many of these cats are kept in cages both in america and canada, people can pretend they arent, but they are constantly kept in cages due to their personality & temperment problems



every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage

Originally Posted by chausiefan

umm I think it is the same here as it is there


http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/breeds.shtml

"The higher percentage Bengals are not nearly as social, in general. There are always expections to the rule, but most F1-F4 Bengals are going to be much more standoffish. They will want to be around, but not touched."

Since when does a "good pet" not want to be peted by its owner? lol

I know many of these cats are kept in cages both in america and canada, people can pretend they arent, but they are constantly kept in cages due to their personality temperment problems

every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage

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LOL.. a f4 is a sbt or a very domestic animal ... any breeder stating they are standoffish is well not doing a good job breeding .... I have met in person F2 and F4 s all were quite nice

Originally Posted by chausiefan

every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage

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I'm glad to say that every F1 I've ever met is NOT.

Originally Posted by chausiefan

f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

anyways bengals here are accepted into the canadian cat shows and I thought they were accepted in the american as well

bengals seem to be even more popular then siamese these days! I dont consider them hybirds they have a tiny bit of wild blood in them which is like 3% but in general they are domestic cats, they just look wild

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i would not say that about the F cats, it really depends.
There are normal cats who will not use the box too.

I know people who even keep an asian leopard or a fishing cat as a pet, they see not much difference to a normal cat. They use the box or use your toilet if you teach them, fetch toy and are good cats Just need to give them love, teach them with patience and should not cage them or keep them outside.

Its always good to have a companion for them, some regular house cat would do fine for that job, or a dog.

Originally Posted by chausiefan

every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage

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If I may ask.......

Exactly how many bengal catteries have you visited? How many were in the USA? How many in Canada? How many in other countries?

How many of the catteries you visited had F1's?

You seem to know so much about how these animals behave and how they are housed.

Please divulge this information.

I must be completely misinformed about this breed and specifically about EG bengals.

I visted 3 catterys here only in ontario Canada

America seems to have the same situation just has many more catterys and backyard breeders (being a much higher populated country)

I didnt say ALL breeders would be this way just from what ive personally seen

in regards to f1s usually not making good pets well i was told that by a few breeders in america and canada & went by what i experienced

I have seen 2 f1s and one f2

Both f1s i saw were in a cage and didnt like to be pet and didnt like strangers at all

the f2 Seemed okay but i still didnt have the courage to pet her

if you look above i posted a link and the cats displayed exactly those traits just like the above BREEDER says is exactly what i experienced

i am NOT talking about bengals as a breed im only talking about cats with a decent amount of WILD blood

another thing i am kinda concerned about is something an above poster mentioned

sure once in a while in a litter of hybirds a good cat that makes a great pet will appear

but what happens to all these other cats that wash out with temperment problems? We all know how hard a domestic cat (which has had more then 5 thousand years of domestication) with temperment problems can be a HUGE handful

Originally Posted by chausiefan

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in regards to f1s usually not making good pets well i was told that by a few breeders in america and canada & went by what i experienced

I have seen 2 f1s and one f2

Both f1s i saw were in a cage and didn't like to be pet and didn't like strangers at all

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There is a big difference in having a house pet or having a cat for breeding purpose. Breeders have more cats than you possibly can play with all day.
Some people let some of the cats run around the house for a while but u have to keep them in cages, separated from each other for various reasons.
Most breeders have a different experience with the breeding cats than the people who actually take the cats home.

If you get an F1 and keep it in your backyard or in some cage you hardly can expect to have a loving pet. They might even scratch your eyes out.
I have seen people getting new cats and getting impatient and pissed when the new cat is having under the bad and hiss at them.
there are also parents with wild kids you know.

It takes a bit time to tame the wilder cats, that is for sure, some are more easy some more difficult, it is different for all cats but the result can be the same.
Should never beat them and treat their mistakes with patience. Cats will learn to adjust.

I know so many people who complain their house cat is a monster, climbing walls and scratching everything, on the carpet and stealing food from the table.

I trim my cats claws every week, they never scratched any furniture (non of my cats or all the cats my family owned) They never climb on tables and avoid playing in corners where they not supposed to go. And they sure were wild monsters when i got them.

The are many tricks to teach them, and things such as spray and powder to mark cables and corners where not to play.

If your cat start making break dance on the carped and scratch the wall, it means not that it is a wild cat, it means that you should watch, brush and trim its nails and get a fun scratch tree.

You need to lay with them a lot, bored cats tend to mess around.

Besides such cats are not meant for unexperienced cat owners.

And u can be sure they are shy of people, most hybrids are. Most animals who did spend their life in a cage are in fact somewhat shy, but that will change once you have them at home.
And having a cat who is not jumping at your friends who come to visit is not a bad thing in fact

Originally Posted by chausiefan

if you look above i posted a link and the cats displayed exactly those traits just like the above BREEDER says is exactly what i experienced

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I believe I've made the points I wanted to make in this thread, so this is the last thing I'll say.

The link you provided is to a cattery that deals with multiple breeds. This "breeder" aka "kitten mill", is not a good example to use. With all those different breeds and all those cats and kittens, how can any of them get the proper socialization?

Cats need interaction with humans to become and remain social. This includes F1's. ALL of the F1's I know are very sweet and affectionate and roam their homes.

I'm sure the kitten mill breeder you referenced has to cage the animals to keep things under control, as there are far too many breeding cats.

I don't believe in caging my breeders. The boys have their own rooms, with the comforts of home and the girls have a large common area in the cattery or are in our home free to roam.
My cats greet vistors at the door, irrespective of their F level. People who visit our cattery, get to see what bengals are really like.

Some breeders have the luxery of being able to keep their males "cageless" but still in a very large room. Others don't. You can't condemn every breeder who cages some of their breeding cats!

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Some breeders have the luxery of being able to keep their males "cageless" but still in a very large room. Others don't. You can't condemn every breeder who cages some of their breeding cats!

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I haven't condemned anyone. Don't be so over-dramatic. What I said was that *I* don't believe in caging my cats. I think it's bad for their emotional well being.

one of the breeders i went to i was interested in a retiring queen cat. ON her site she said the cat is very friendly and can go to any home with cats or dogs. SO i thought she would be a great add to my family. Keep in MIND this breeder was recomended to me by the Canadian Cat Association http://www.cca-afc.com/ and the assocation ACTUALLY has good standing with this breeder as the breeder has won many shows & has great cats, the breeder does care about her cats since she wont adopt out unless they promise to nuter and NOt declaw the animal, the breeder also will take back any animal before it goes to the shelters if they cant keep it any longer.

Well i get there the friendly sweet queen i am interested in hisses and spits at me! To be honest ive NEVER had a cat do that to me ever! Ive raised about 10 or so cats during my lifetime these are just street cats and not a single one has ever hissed at me! Keep in mind ive had a few torties also.. So i just found that shocking the cat had me way to scared to pet it! So i didnt even touch it!

WOrd of caution breeders arent always what they seem even if they are recemended or have many "show wins" by a Cat Association.


I cant believe the breeder told me the retired queen was sweet and would make a great pet, the OWNER HERSELF was having a lot of trouble holding her cause she was spazing out screaming and hissing it was horrible. I DIDNT adopt the cat but the scary thing is what if this breeder was not driving distance? I Could of made a horrible mistake of having it shipped to me thinking i was in good hands with a great breeder and then ended up with a cat with serious issues

I have been interested in so many cats over the internet but how are we suppose to know if those cats are really what the breeder says they are? WHen a breeder is reccomended by a cat assocation you cant even trust their word! Kinda sad because I have seen many cats in both america and canada that I would of adopted but i never did cause of the extreme risk that the cat is not what they said it was

kai bengals iim happy to hear you do not cage ur cats. you really do seem like an awsome breeder! But the sad thing is i dont think breeders like u are in the majority

I agree i have 3 domestic moggyies and to see any of them in a cage would break my heart, i know how they love their freedom running around the house like monkeys or sleeping on my bed, jumping around playing with other cats and toys, its just what cats do

when the house is to busy or the cats are just way to much to handle we lock them in their "cat room" which is a special room in our house that we keep just for the cats its HUGE lol it as a couch which they shreded it has 2 windows, its got a table various scraching posts and the floor is littered unlimited amounts of cat toys of all kinds and EVEN THEN I feel guilty for locking them in it sometimes lol OH yeah it also has a big sun roof lol

I Know they love their cat room because even when the door is open a lot of the times they just go in anyway

for my next house i think i want to have 2 cat rooms in case some cats dont get along and cannot be locked in together, or just so it doesnt get overcrowded I really would like to have a lot more cats then just 3 eventually