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five largest shorthair domestic cat breeds?

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
ok i know it depends on lines a lot of the time but i mean just in general what are considered to be the top five most largest?

bengals, ocicats, british shorthairs, what are the other 2?
post #2 of 40
Interesting question ...one I've never actually considered!

I don't think Oci's should be in the list though, but I will stand corrected.

American Shorthairs, Manx, Bengals, Savannahs, Brits and perhaps the Burmese would be my list!
post #3 of 40
Thread Starter 
bermese are tiny smaller then siamese from what ive seen
post #4 of 40
Not really - if you consider length a factor then yes, definitely the slinkies are longer BUT in terms of size and wieght the Burms and E Burms are much bigger
post #5 of 40
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Originally Posted by Abymummy View Post
I don't think Oci's should be in the list though, but I will stand corrected.
Depends which Oci's

Burms here are bigger than Siamese/Orientals.

How about Exotics or Scottish Folds? They are both as big as Brits. Also Selkirk Rexes.
post #6 of 40
Exotics are technically LH cats...

Forgot about the Scottish folds
post #7 of 40
Yes, Selkirk Rexes are pretty big.
post #8 of 40
If you are counting hybrids, which I see you are because Bengals are on your list, I believe the largest sh breed is the Chausie, followed by Savannahs, British Shorthairs, and I am not sure about Bengals or Ocicats. As for Burmese I think they are small. My Somali mentor has a Burmese and he does not look bigger than her Somali. American Shorthairs can be quite large and also I have seen some very large Manx. I bet American Bobtails should be one on that list. They are quite huge.
post #9 of 40
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
If you are counting hybrids, which I see you are because Bengals are on your list
Just a technicality, but bengals are not considered Hybrids once they reach the SBT level. (fourth generation). At that point they are considered a domestic breed cat.

With alot of these shorthair breeds you really can only count the male as being the largest. Female bengals, chausies, savannahs and american bobtails are considerably smaller.

I'd put them in this order: Savannah, Chausie, Bengal, American Bobtail, American Shorthair
post #10 of 40
Neither of my Bengals are large. Nial knows the size of Angel, and she's a pretty small girl, and my male Bengal Simba is about the same height as Angel, and he's much slimmer than Angel is. To me he seems like a small cat, about the same size as my female Siamese. Of course I have a male old style Siamese who is HUGE, at about 30 lbs, and he's not fat. He's just HUGE. So, a lot of cats look small to me.
post #11 of 40
Thread Starter 
wow i never seen a siamese that big? is it easy to find? Id love to have a big boned siamese lol I think they are one of the most beautiful and amazing cats out there!

ive seen some tiny bengals and some hUGE ones


Pixie bobs are another large breed

every ocicat ive seen has been a big boned cat they dwarf egyptian maus
post #12 of 40
I think cats over 13 lbs when full grown as "large". IMO Ocicats don't fit that- the males average 9-12 lbs (medium size cats) and females are 6-9 lbs).

So given that I would say American Bobtails, Bengels, Selkirk Rexes and some BSH would be the larger shorthair cats.

USA Ocicats are medium. Australian Ocicats are large
post #13 of 40
Here's a picture of my giant big boy Shane. He is so large that he takes up the entire top of the dresser he's on.

post #14 of 40
I thought with Bengals it depended a lot on what breeds were used in the breeding program.

Anyway, I have two related bengals (aunt and nephew). They're both just over 18 months old - Lily is what I call average at about 10 or 11 lbs. Rajah is BIG at about 16 lbs. He's still very lean too, so in a few years, he'll likely be 18 or so. He's just a big boy (and I love every ounce!)
post #15 of 40
What about the Chartreux? Most of the ones that I've seen have been pretty large cats and suprisingly agile for their "potato on toothpicks" figure.
post #16 of 40
Hibari, Savannah, Safari cats, bengals and of course the Ashera.
not sure if all are listed CFA Breeds already.
post #17 of 40
Thread Starter 
never heard of hebari what is that?
post #18 of 40
i am sorry, i spelled wrong. it is called Habari.
some new breed again, not registered as faar as i know. they mix bengals with other hybrids to make pretty 25 pounds cats.

the Ashera are up to 30 pounds... crazy price too...
they look like cheap bengals in large.

but i lobe safari cats, they are huge and beautiful.
post #19 of 40
About the Habari (from http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/habari.shtml)
This breed has not been developed with TICA acceptance, nor the show ring, in mind. The focus has been placed upon providing the utmost quality directly to pet homes.

Great, yet another expensive hybrid cat developed by people out to make a buck.

Rather than registering any and all kittens with a similar genetic base, the Habaris also have to meet physical selection criteria once they are born. This limits the number that will ever represent the Habari breed. We are confident that you will get what you pay for with a Habari kitten.

And what about all those kittens that don't meet the physical selection criteria?

post #20 of 40
Thread Starter 
i dont consider safari cats domestic they are a domestic wild cat cross
post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
i dont consider safari cats domestic they are a domestic wild cat cross
So are the bengals
post #22 of 40
NO wild cat cross will ever be accepted into CFA.
post #23 of 40
there are some old golf clubs who would not accept female members.

CFA not accepting bengals, does that make them less nice and pretty.
Obviously there are many people worldwide who would pay a lot of money for savannah, bengal, even safari and the super expensive Ashera.
Cats are not factory made, who cares if some organization accepts it or now as long as the people like it.
maybe it will change one day.

if i could get your hands on a F1 kitten of a Bengal and the asian marble cat, would you care about CFA?
post #24 of 40
Thread Starter 
f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

anyways bengals here are accepted into the canadian cat shows and I thought they were accepted in the american as well

bengals seem to be even more popular then siamese these days! I dont consider them hybirds they have a tiny bit of wild blood in them which is like 3% but in general they are domestic cats, they just look wild
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO

anyways bengals here are accepted into the canadian cat shows and I thought they were accepted in the american as well

bengals seem to be even more popular then siamese these days! I dont consider them hybirds they have a tiny bit of wild blood in them which is like 3% but in general they are domestic cats, they just look wild
bengals of the first F1- F3 are wild by definition on wild blood in them ( i dont call them wild personally)... F4 or sbt have 6.25% wild blood so if you keep breeding f4 to f4 the f5 will be domestic
post #26 of 40
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
f1s dont make good pets tho, i hear they often dont even use the litter box not very fun to live with IMO
Where are you getting your info? I know many many owners who will flat out disagree with you and that statement.

Please.........don't make these sorts of statements in public forums unless you have first hand experience.

Do you own a bengal? Is it a Filial? If not please refrain. You can't possiblly have an opinion, if you have never owned an early generation bengal.
post #27 of 40
Thread Starter 
ok sorry i should of said the few that ive seen didnt make great pets

the ones that were not f1s-f2s seem great

yeah its just my experience and what a few breeders have told me in regards to wanting an f1 as a pet because a while ago I really wanted one, FEw nice breeders were honest with me in regards to what i would be getting into, they didnt sugar coat them out to be these "amazing pets" that they certainly arent

They have a lot of wild blood in them, and i dont think they should be allowed to be sold to just anyone without a permit, and it makes me sick how wild cats are falsely marketed as
"great pets" in the end who suffers? Its the poor wild cats that suffer!

Sorry but wild animals were meant to live in jungles NOT cages in houses but yeah thats my opinion which im ALLOWED to have

so many catterys kept their leopard cat crosses in cages, because of many diff reasons, i just wanted to puke, I HATE seeing cats in cages I think if you cant have a cat free ranging in the house you shouldnt have a cat at all
post #28 of 40
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
ok sorry i should of said the few that ive seen didnt make great pets

the ones that were not f1s-f2s seem great

yeah its just my experience and what a few breeders have told me in regards to wanting an f1 as a pet because a while ago I really wanted one, FEw nice breeders were honest with me in regards to what i would be getting into, they didnt sugar coat them out to be these "amazing pets" that they certainly arent

They have a lot of wild blood in them, and i dont think they should be allowed to be sold to just anyone without a permit, and it makes me sick how wild cats are falsely marketed as
"great pets" in the end who suffers? Its the poor wild cats that suffer!

Sorry but wild animals were meant to live in jungles NOT cages in houses but yeah thats my opinion which im ALLOWED to have

so many catterys kept their leopard cat crosses in cages, because of many diff reasons, i just wanted to puke, I HATE seeing cats in cages I think if you cant have a cat free ranging in the house you shouldnt have a cat at all

My only response to this is: I'm sorry you are SO misinformed. Maybe things are different in Canada.
post #29 of 40
Thread Starter 
umm I think it is the same here as it is there


http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/breeds.shtml

"The higher percentage Bengals are not nearly as social, in general. There are always expections to the rule, but most F1-F4 Bengals are going to be much more standoffish. They will want to be around, but not touched."

Since when does a "good pet" not want to be peted by its owner? lol

I know many of these cats are kept in cages both in america and canada, people can pretend they arent, but they are constantly kept in cages due to their personality & temperment problems



every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage
post #30 of 40
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
umm I think it is the same here as it is there


http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/breeds.shtml

"The higher percentage Bengals are not nearly as social, in general. There are always expections to the rule, but most F1-F4 Bengals are going to be much more standoffish. They will want to be around, but not touched."

Since when does a "good pet" not want to be peted by its owner? lol

I know many of these cats are kept in cages both in america and canada, people can pretend they arent, but they are constantly kept in cages due to their personality temperment problems

every bengal cattery I went to had its f1 PRIZE beauty locked up looking miserable in a cage
LOL.. a f4 is a sbt or a very domestic animal ... any breeder stating they are standoffish is well not doing a good job breeding.... I have met in person F2 and F4 s all were quite nice
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