Originally Posted by jane_vernon
But surely the Labor state government is the reason you have a bad transport system - So why would having a Labor federal government help that at all?
All of the states (which are currently under Labor) are in massive debt and having major problems with health, education and public transport. I don't see how having a Labor federal system is going to make for any changes.
I agree with you in particular about our state government in Western Australia. Appalling - I would vote against them 10 times out of 10 if a state election was held today. They do not even remotely represent what the Labor party is supposed to be about.
However, I believe our federal Labor party do represent what they are traditionally supposed to be about and I think that they will do a better, sounder job federally than the Howard government did. I believe they will be economically successful AND socially successful - which the opposition wasn't able to manage.
One of the reasons I have heard people who voted against the Liberals for the first time ever give was the same - they felt that Howard and his government were more and more departing from traditional Liberal values.
If I thought a Liberal government would help in WA you can bet I'd vote them in. I hate Alan Carpenter.
And I was sad to see that Malcolm Turnbull lost the race for the Liberal leadership. I mean, it's better for Labor supporters that he lost, but I don't see it that way. I think he's a good man with a good vision, and I'm sad he didn't win. Plus, Brendon Nelson is an ex-Labor MP. I wouldn't trust him if I were you - I don't know, I don't believe that you change your allegiance like that if you're a sitting member of parliament. But I guess he must have had what he thought were good reasons.
If all the states are in massive debt, as you say, then the Liberal government obviously didn't do much to help, either. Let's hope that the new government does. On these things, we can only keep our fingers crossed and wait and see. I have been looking for statistics on state debt, though, and Google is not being helpful! Where did you get yours? I don't doubt you - but I'd like to look it up and see how things are now, and then look back and compare how they stand in a year or so.
Jcat - one of the things that political satirists and commentators use the most as their material is the Citizenship Test for immigrants to Australia along with our immigration policy in general. It's really so offensive. Actually, the last time my brother went to France, he went to a restaurant and was sitting at the counter having something to eat. When they realised he was Australian people were very hostile to him. He wasn't used to that, and when he asked why, he was told it was because of the way Australia treated immigrants and refugees. It made him feel very ashamed.
I don't have a problem with being strict on immigrants - not at all. You don't just let anyone into your country, but our policy is an affront to our openness as a nation. And I wasn't referring so much to our immigration policy as our mandatory detention on remote islands - sometimes for years
at a time - of asylum seekers and refugees. Tampa is a good example of the legacy of the Howard government's stance on asylum-seekers.
In one of his election campaigns, John Howard blatantly lied to the Australian people in the infamous `children overboard
' scandal, simply to win election votes. It worked, and then it came out afterwards what had happened. It was a massive, massive shock to Australia - and people were disgusted. Nobody has forgotten it, and that along with the Liberal government's general attitude towards refugees and asylum seekers was one of the things that helped lose them the last election. Disgusting, no matter who you support.