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post #31 of 42
What the?? I just heard on the news the government is going to raise the prices on food and public transport again! how is anyone meant to live???
post #32 of 42
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Which station were you listening to? I'd like to find that - also I think these things are under state not federal control but I might be wrong. One thing I will say - our state government is up **** creek without a paddle. I'd happily vote against them in the next state election.
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Which station were you listening to? I'd like to find that - also I think these things are under state not federal control but I might be wrong. One thing I will say - our state government is up **** creek without a paddle. I'd happily vote against them in the next state election.

On the tv, channel 7. Must remember to watch the full report tonight. State or federal, it still sucks. There are still people on this earth who don't drive, and i'm one of them.
post #34 of 42
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Yeah - the public transport system in this state is a total joke. I love going to Melbourne, where you can hop on a tram and go anywhere you like for 2 bucks with a minimum of hassle.

It's not up on their website yet - although there is a story saying that Rudd is going to set up a petrol price commission. GOOD. It's still cheaper to use public transport than to drive a car - but people here don't make that choice because our public transport system sucks so much.
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Yeah - the public transport system in this state is a total joke. I love going to Melbourne, where you can hop on a tram and go anywhere you like for 2 bucks with a minimum of hassle.
true but that's if you actually live in the city, or in burwood where the trams are. I live out in the eastern suburbs so heading into the city is a bus and a train for me which costs more. It's just the every day stuff that builds up
post #36 of 42
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true but that's if you actually live in the city, or in burwood where the trams are. I live out in the eastern suburbs so heading into the city is a bus and a train for me which costs more. It's just the every day stuff that builds up
Well the petrol thing will be good for Tristan, i can't believe how the prices go up and down every time he goes in to fill up
post #37 of 42
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true but that's if you actually live in the city, or in burwood where the trams are. I live out in the eastern suburbs so heading into the city is a bus and a train for me which costs more. It's just the every day stuff that builds up
D'oh! I keep thinking you are in Perth. Trust me, the PT in Melbourne runs RINGS around the system in Perth!
post #38 of 42
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Trust me, coming to Australia as an immigrant is not that pleasurable anymore. Because our immigration policy has virtually gone back to the days of the White Australia Policy - immigrants (depending on where they are from) are often treated with mistrust and suspicion. Another legacy of our recently fallen government.
There have been a lot of articles in newspapers here about Australia's changed immigration policy, and calls for it to be adopted in Germany. I find many aspects of it positive, especially the emphasis on testing language skills and familiarity with the culture. I'm an immigrant myself, work in a large German city where over 20% of the population is foreign-born, and teach at a school where the vast majority of the students have a "migration background", e.g., I have one class with one German student; all the others are Portuguese, Greek, or Turkish, and another with one German student, with the others being Italian, Turkish, or Russian. The faculty consists of Germans (actually in the minority), Russians, French, Spaniards, Brits, Americans, Canadians, South Africans, South Americans, Greeks, Ukrainians - I'm sure I've left somebody out. One teacher is Basque, and I'm not sure whether he'd object to being described as "Spanish".

The situation isn't different at public schools, where many teachers complain that failure to insist that immigrants integrate, by forcing them to learn the lingua franca and understand the culture, leads to a lot of frustration among the children of immigrants, and a high drop-out rate.
post #39 of 42
But surely the Labor state government is the reason you have a bad transport system - So why would having a Labor federal government help that at all?

All of the states (which are currently under Labor) are in massive debt and having major problems with health, education and public transport. I don't see how having a Labor federal system is going to make for any changes.
post #40 of 42
If i was an immigrant, i would expect the country to be tough and do their job.

What annoys me is examples on airline/airport/border security, where i've noticed it's the non English speaking people who even with a translator, say they had NO idea they couldn't bring certain foods and medicines into Australia, and on their form they've ticked NO for have they got any food items to declare, and they have 2 suitcases full of food!! The last episode there was an elderly Chinese woman who was found to have some fresh apples and other fruit, the customs officer kept removing the fruit from the suitcase telling the woman NO in English, in sign language, waving her finger as you would to a child, i think the word NO is a universal word. Every time the fruit was removed the woman yanked it back off her and stuffed it back in her back. After a few hours of this silly game the woman starts pouting, she stands there, crosses her arms and pouts like a little five year old to try and get her way.

THIS is what annoys me. If you are filling out a form of decleration you always get a trusted family member or friend to help you out to make sure. And if you cannot understand what a FOOD item is, then you are in trouble.

GRRRRRR.

Oh there was this guy from Brazil and he was so smug. He kept saying he had nothing on him and even agreed to a cavity search saying he had nothing to hide..they found drugs in his rectum!!!

Where do these people get off on not doing things right??

Even i as an Australian born, if i went overseas and came back, i would be very thorough in what i buy/pack and would not waste my time arguing with customs because they are doing their job.

If someone looks suspicious (ie pacing/gets sick all of a sudden/looking shifty etc) even if they aren't doing anything wrong, customs have a right, and a duty to protect those people in the airport and in the country whether they get it right or not.

I need some coffee.
post #41 of 42
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But surely the Labor state government is the reason you have a bad transport system - So why would having a Labor federal government help that at all?

All of the states (which are currently under Labor) are in massive debt and having major problems with health, education and public transport. I don't see how having a Labor federal system is going to make for any changes.
I agree with you in particular about our state government in Western Australia. Appalling - I would vote against them 10 times out of 10 if a state election was held today. They do not even remotely represent what the Labor party is supposed to be about.

However, I believe our federal Labor party do represent what they are traditionally supposed to be about and I think that they will do a better, sounder job federally than the Howard government did. I believe they will be economically successful AND socially successful - which the opposition wasn't able to manage.

One of the reasons I have heard people who voted against the Liberals for the first time ever give was the same - they felt that Howard and his government were more and more departing from traditional Liberal values.

If I thought a Liberal government would help in WA you can bet I'd vote them in. I hate Alan Carpenter.

And I was sad to see that Malcolm Turnbull lost the race for the Liberal leadership. I mean, it's better for Labor supporters that he lost, but I don't see it that way. I think he's a good man with a good vision, and I'm sad he didn't win. Plus, Brendon Nelson is an ex-Labor MP. I wouldn't trust him if I were you - I don't know, I don't believe that you change your allegiance like that if you're a sitting member of parliament. But I guess he must have had what he thought were good reasons.

If all the states are in massive debt, as you say, then the Liberal government obviously didn't do much to help, either. Let's hope that the new government does. On these things, we can only keep our fingers crossed and wait and see. I have been looking for statistics on state debt, though, and Google is not being helpful! Where did you get yours? I don't doubt you - but I'd like to look it up and see how things are now, and then look back and compare how they stand in a year or so.

Jcat - one of the things that political satirists and commentators use the most as their material is the Citizenship Test for immigrants to Australia along with our immigration policy in general. It's really so offensive. Actually, the last time my brother went to France, he went to a restaurant and was sitting at the counter having something to eat. When they realised he was Australian people were very hostile to him. He wasn't used to that, and when he asked why, he was told it was because of the way Australia treated immigrants and refugees. It made him feel very ashamed.

I don't have a problem with being strict on immigrants - not at all. You don't just let anyone into your country, but our policy is an affront to our openness as a nation. And I wasn't referring so much to our immigration policy as our mandatory detention on remote islands - sometimes for years at a time - of asylum seekers and refugees. Tampa is a good example of the legacy of the Howard government's stance on asylum-seekers.

In one of his election campaigns, John Howard blatantly lied to the Australian people in the infamous `children overboard' scandal, simply to win election votes. It worked, and then it came out afterwards what had happened. It was a massive, massive shock to Australia - and people were disgusted. Nobody has forgotten it, and that along with the Liberal government's general attitude towards refugees and asylum seekers was one of the things that helped lose them the last election. Disgusting, no matter who you support.
post #42 of 42
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Tricia, I thought you might be interested in reading an article in today's Australian newspaper. It sums up a lot of what I've been trying to say - in a much more concise way than I've been trying to say it!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...013491,00.html

There is another article by our former Prime Minister Paul Keating, from whom Howard won power in 1996. Of course, this is an opinion piece but it also happens to be an accurate representation of why this country decided that Mr Howard had to go. Interestingly, the economic victories claimed by the Howard government were all as a result of the economic reform that Keating set up during his terms as Prime Minister. The success and growth of our economy should be attributed to Mr Keating, not Mr Howard, which is well known amongst economic and financial commentators, but not so much by the Australian people. Until now...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...321864420.html

I read an interesting quote a few days ago. `Mr Howard was not only a bigot, but his greatest talent was exposing and allowing the bigotry of others'. His racist views lost him the opposition leadership earlier in his career, and back then he was dubbed the `biggest loser in politics'. He certainly came back to claim victory, but the person he really was underneath it all never changed. And in the end, his true colours came out in a way that was undeniable, and he lost the election, his own seat, and the leadership of this country as a result.

Australia is the only Western nation ever to be declared racist by the United Nations.

http://aboriginalrights.suite101.com...al_rights_cerd
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