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post #1 of 17
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I'm SO sick of all the advertising. Labour poo pooing Liberal. Liberal poo pooing Labour etc.

The only thing i know is it may be scary to change. But if Howard stays in, he is retiring in 2 years and then we won't even get a say to who runs the country!! What's the point??



Stupid compulsery voting *grumbles*


Any other Aussies dreading tomorrow?
post #2 of 17
Its annoying but I'd rather do it than not.

And just because Kevin Rudd says he won't retire, doesn't mean the party won't kick him out and put someone else in - So really, you don't know who the Prime Minister will be after the election votes are in - Thats why you vote for the Party rather than individual Prime Ministers.

And I'm also sick of the advertising - It should be illegal to bad mouth the other party - You should just stick to what your policies are and what you are going to do for the country rather than using scare tactics to try and get your way.

So glad they have the advertising blackout a few days before the election.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by jane_vernon View Post
Its annoying but I'd rather do it than not.

And just because Kevin Rudd says he won't retire, doesn't mean the party won't kick him out and put someone else in - So really, you don't know who the Prime Minister will be after the election votes are in - Thats why you vote for the Party rather than individual Prime Ministers.

And I'm also sick of the advertising - It should be illegal to bad mouth the other party - You should just stick to what your policies are and what you are going to do for the country rather than using scare tactics to try and get your way.

So glad they have the advertising blackout a few days before the election.

Advertising blackout? You guys must be getting less than us then.

Do they think we're stupid? Seriousely. They make all these promises and visit schools, re-grade roads and kiss babies RIGHT before the election. They don't do it halfway into a term. Do they think we are so dumb we don't realise they are only doing it for a popularity contest, and not because they care.


ARGH!!! I think i might be voting Greens lol
post #4 of 17
Totally agree with you - I'm so sick of all the bad mouthing they are doing to each other. I have no real idea of what policies they have (or don't have) - because all they do is pour sh** on each other.

I am glad I have the right to vote - just wish that there was someone around who is really worth voting for.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by jane_vernon View Post
Its annoying but I'd rather do it than not.
Still not sure who I'll vote for, even if you go Greens or Independant it still goes back to one of the major parties anyway.

I'm glad there won't be anymore personally adressed junk mail from all the candidates, I've been getting mail pretty much everyday from them all.
post #6 of 17
And what part of my NO JUNK MAIL sticker don't they understand???

Thats the worst junk there is!

Whoever wins I just hope they don't stuff us up
post #7 of 17
They are getting around no junk mail by putting it in envelopes, with names and adresses on it. Had a quick chat with the postie at work, he's mad cos he has so much extra mail to deliver.
post #8 of 17
I am not dreading tomorrow at all - I am happy that we have compulsory voting but having said that I would vote regardless - I want to have my say.

But let me just say one thing. If Rudd gets in then I will seriously consider moving countries!
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by jane_vernon View Post
Its annoying but I'd rather do it than not.

And just because Kevin Rudd says he won't retire, doesn't mean the party won't kick him out and put someone else in - So really, you don't know who the Prime Minister will be after the election votes are in - Thats why you vote for the Party rather than individual Prime Ministers.
Don't you mean if Howard says he won't retire? I haven't seen Rudd anywhere being asked about retirement.

I am looking forward to the election, I think this is the most important election our country has seen in my lifetime of voting, and I hope to goodness the country makes the right decision and gets rid of that lying megalomaniac Howard.

You can't ask for or get or expect `perfection' in a leader, but you can ask for and get and expect honesty and integrity. A social conscience. A vision for Australia as a whole and not just the wealthy portion. Someone who cares about every Australian, not just the ones in the highest tax bracket.

I admit, I hate John Howard with a passion that borders on holy, but aside from that I also do think it's just time for a change. Australia has changed enough in some very negative ways under his leadership - we need to get back to what this country used to be about. ALL of it's people - not just a privileged few.

I feel honoured and proud of my right to vote, and I am also going to be working at a polling booth for a few hours as well. I really feel that we are on the cusp of an important change, and I hope people are brave enough to stand up to Howard and kick him out, and say that we won't put up with his power-hungry regime anymore.

And, I do believe I am not being biased here, when I say I agree that there has been some slinging on both sides, but that the Liberal campaign has been far more guilty of it than Labor. They can't answer a single question put to them without directing their answer towards their perceived shortcomings of the Labor party or Rudd. The Labor party has not done this anywhere near as much - and the debacle with the fake flyers yesterday and Jackie Kelly's underhanded attempt to grab votes is just so indicative of the way the Liberals have run their campaign.

And lol Huggles! Max and I said if Howard got in again we are moving to New Zealand! I would have never pegged you a Liberal voter!

(Oh, and for the people here who are curious - in Australia our `Liberal' party is our right-wing conservative party, and our Labor party is our left)
post #10 of 17
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But let me just say one thing. If Rudd gets in then I will seriously consider moving countries!

So when are you going?



I didn't vote for him, but i still feel guilty that he won. Maybe it's because of the green ballot where i HAVE to put a number next to Rudd.

I just can't believe the leadership is changing now. I know Howard has not followed through with some things, and rates have gone up. But i am worried about what will happen to the country in Rudds hands. Something always changes
post #11 of 17
I just hope we aren't in for a recession - Labor has a good track record of spending too much money and with Labor governments across the board now we could be in for a lot of trouble in the future.

But Labor will have no one to blame but themselves - They've got complete control.
post #12 of 17
I'm glad we have compulsory voting! I went to great lengths to do my overseas vote to do my bit to get Howard out! I'm very pleased Labor got in.

I think Howard has done a job, particularly with the economy, but it's definitely time for a change. I like Rudd's policies on the war in Iraq, climate change and foreign policy, so am hoping he does a good job while keeping the economy in shape. I'm also looking forward to having Peter Garrett in as the Environment Minister - having a long standing environmentalist as the Minister for the Environment is an awesome thing!!
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
I'm glad we have compulsory voting! I went to great lengths to do my overseas vote to do my bit to get Howard out! I'm very pleased Labor got in.

I think Howard has done a job, particularly with the economy, but it's definitely time for a change. I like Rudd's policies on the war in Iraq, climate change and foreign policy, so am hoping he does a good job while keeping the economy in shape. I'm also looking forward to having Peter Garrett in as the Environment Minister - having a long standing environmentalist as the Minister for the Environment is an awesome thing!!
Garrett is no longer an environmentalist to me. He is happy to say yes to the Tamar pulp mill. 80% of it will be sitting in the forest, it will double the rate of woodchipping, 64000 tonnes of waste will be pumped into the bass strait, there are various species that could be threatened, odour and pollutant emissions, not to mention possible loss of local jobs and more tax. That isn't exactly environmentally friendly.

Did i mention that Rudd is for unions which create ALOT of strikes, which interferes with everyones lives.

post #14 of 17
I think Peter Garrett is more of an environmentalist than any previous Minister! He won't always get his way but he'll do what he can.

They'll get the Kyoto Protocol ratified hopefully which won't do a lot for Australia, but will put more pressure on the US to ratify and look at reducing their carbon emissions as well.

As for the unions - the current WorkChoices reform is disgusting. I learnt all about it as part of a politics subject at uni this year and there really wasn't any positives - except for business owners that is. Employees got the raw end of the stick in every situation and having the Government trying to ban union activity is bad bad bad as far as I'm concerned. Employees need someone to stick up for them.

I'm sure Labour won't be perfect, but I think they'll do some good things that are long overdue.
post #15 of 17
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I just hope we aren't in for a recession - Labor has a good track record of spending too much money
That is the funniest thing I've ever heard - considering that a large part of the reason the coalition was voted out was because of their out-of-control spending. The Liberals have a good track record of bringing our economy to an unsustainable crisis point and then getting out of government in time for Labor to have to manage the inevitable correction and bring things back on track for the Liberals to exploit again.

And there is no way our economy would have had the growth it had were it not for the reforms brought in by the Keating government - as even Liberal analysts will acknowledge.

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Garrett is no longer an environmentalist to me. He is happy to say yes to the Tamar pulp mill. 80% of it will be sitting in the forest, it will double the rate of woodchipping, 64000 tonnes of waste will be pumped into the bass strait, there are various species that could be threatened, odour and pollutant emissions, not to mention possible loss of local jobs and more tax. That isn't exactly environmentally friendly.

Did i mention that Rudd is for unions which create ALOT of strikes, which interferes with everyones lives.
I agree with you about the pulp mill. Disgusting. I hope they back out of that one, I really do.

As for unions - that also cracks me up. The way people have been brainwashed by the whole union scare campaign is just bizarre. Unions are about getting people fairer conditions and pays - if you were in a job that was getting ripped off left, right and centre (ie - teaching, nursing, police) you would be eternally grateful to the unions for being the only ones who got you a fair go.

It's so typical of the coalition, whose Workchoices legislation was amongst the most disgusting policy I've ever seen, to want to scare people about unions because unions represent everything the former government abhors - namely fairness, equality and support in the workplace.

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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
I think Peter Garrett is more of an environmentalist than any previous Minister! He won't always get his way but he'll do what he can.

They'll get the Kyoto Protocol ratified hopefully which won't do a lot for Australia, but will put more pressure on the US to ratify and look at reducing their carbon emissions as well.

As for the unions - the current WorkChoices reform is disgusting. I learnt all about it as part of a politics subject at uni this year and there really wasn't any positives - except for business owners that is. Employees got the raw end of the stick in every situation and having the Government trying to ban union activity is bad bad bad as far as I'm concerned. Employees need someone to stick up for them.

I'm sure Labour won't be perfect, but I think they'll do some good things that are long overdue.
I agree. It's a gamble, a change of government always is. But I think a part of the reason Rudd was so popular is because he is actually quite a conservative man - certainly he is an economic conservative. But he has a conscience, which Howard didn't. Labor didn't use any lies about children overboard in this campaign to win the votes. They won them on their own merit, because Rudd and Gillard are strong leaders with a good vision for Australia's future (instead of always banging on about its past), realistic economic goals, a forward-thinking attitude and best of all, a social consicence that cares about every Australian, not just the ones in the top tax bracket.
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s for unions - that also cracks me up. The way people have been brainwashed by the whole union scare campaign is just bizarre. Unions are about getting people fairer conditions and pays - if you were in a job that was getting ripped off left, right and centre (ie - teaching, nursing, police) you would be eternally grateful to the unions for being the only ones who got you a fair go.

It's so typical of the coalition, whose Workchoices legislation was amongst the most disgusting policy I've ever seen, to want to scare people about unions because unions represent everything the former government abhors - namely fairness, equality and support in the workplace.
The advertisements were something i quickly changed the channel on. I don't like politics, or the dirty way they bad mouth eachother just before an election.

All i know is, as a person who occasionally uses the medical system, went to school, uses public transport all the time etc, i have seen strikes happen, and i see how it affects me and thousands of other people. Police going on strike when there are crimes to be delt with, nurses going on strike when people need beds and to be looked after. I can sympathise with people wanting better pay, better things, but what about the people on the other end who suffer?
post #17 of 17
But, how often did that happen? Once, twice, five times - ten times? There's such a huge emphasis placed on something that I can remember maybe twice or three times (if that) in my lifetime. Surely that hasn't upset or affected people's lives as much as not being able to afford to live?

I mean, if a couple of strikes it the only criticism you have of a government, then I'll take that. Sure. At least those strikes engendered something good for the people who held them. Fairer conditions, better pays, more recognition. I don't have an issue with strikes if they're fair and legitimate. Especially for nurses, teachers, or policeman. They deserve far more than they're getting. Nobody died because of a strike, did they? No. Calls to 000 weren't interrupted were they? No. The whole point of a strike is to cause some discomfort but not danger. I could care less if my bus was 20 minutes late because of a strike. Or if the nurses who have to work their fingers to the bone to save my or other people's lives strike for half a day for better conditions. These situations are blown out of all proportion - and cause nothing more than inconvenience, which I know is frustrating for some people but hardly life threatening.

Really, I think that strikes are the absolute, very least of this country's problems.
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