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Transferring a Purebred

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi there.
I bought my cat from a terrible breeder. She is rude and when I found out my husband and I were going to be moving alot the next couple of years and may or may not have accomidations for the cat she got very rude with me. I had only had the cat 3 months and she offered me only part of my money back AFTER she found another buyer so she could make EXTRA off of her.
I know that is probably protocol with Breeders, but anyway...

My Question is I found a wonderful family who I think would make great parents for my kitty. They want to register the animal as well, which I have not done yet.

The breeder lives in a completely different state etc, is there any way for her to find out if I transferred the cat?
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 
if your going to be rude don't bother.

I just want to know if she will find out about the transfer because I would hate for these people to have the pet for a while and something happen. I'm just GIVING the the cat.
post #3 of 15
I don't think I'm going to be rude so here goes....

It all depends on your contract with the breeder ... IF you have one.

Most of the time, the breeder has first rights of refusal as to where the cat goes - back to the breeder or agreement for you to re-home to a new owner/family.

As for registration - did you get a copy of the litter registration and have you filled it in and sent it back to the registration body? If the answer is yes to the first and no to the second, then the official ownership of cat hasn't been transferred to you.

I would suggest the you get back to the breeder if there is no contract and advise him/her/them of your wishes. Hopefully all will turn out well.
post #4 of 15
Did you sign a contract with the breeder and what does it say, if anything, regarding you giving cat to someone?
Obviously she could find out if you give the cat to someone. I don't think anyone could tell you for sure if she will or will not find out. But if you don't have a contract, then I don't think there is anything she could do about it. If you do have a contract, then it could be legally enforcible.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
I do have a contract, but it only has one line at the very bottom in it that says "Written Permission Before Transferring this Cast is Required". I offered the cat back to her and she flipped out saying she was going to have to find another BUYER and that I would only get part of my money back and it would take around 3 months.

I have the registration, but She filled in my name on the line. The person I am giving the cat to said they would just register it in my name and possibly transfer it to their name later on.

She doesn't know where I live or my phone number because I have moved since then and the only way she has contact with me is through email. She doesn't know the person I am giving the cat to either and like I said she lives in another state. So actually my question is could she find out through the registration in anyway. Other than that there is no possible way of her find out I gave the cat to someone else. I will never see or hear from her again.

She gave the cat to me sick, but I overlooked it because it wasn't an expensive proceedure and now she is talking about giving me part of my money back and selling it for more to where she will make almost double of what she did in the first place.

I would rather this cat have a happy home than to be sold to another breeder which is what she is wanting to do.
post #6 of 15
Since you do have a contract, I would advise you to advise the breeder that you have found a good home for the cat. I would also advise you to give the breeder the name and contact details of the new home. By re-homing, you are forfieting all rights to ANY money the breeder would have agreed to repay you.

As a breeder I would say this, it is unfair to the breeder for you to just re-home the cat without advising the breeder. I, as a breeder, would like to know where the cats I have bred are at any given time and my new contracts actually state that new owners are required to update me at the very least twice yearly. And yes, we can and will, if we want to, find out where the new home is, if the cat is re-registered to the new home, especially if the cat is of show quality and is shown, it's not that difficult to find out.
post #7 of 15
First of all, I hope things work out for you in re-homing your kitty.

As a breeder, I too would charge a fee for re-homing a cat after you have had him/her for 3 months - either a flat fee or so much per day/week. Unfortunately, most people want to purchase a young kitten and it can be difficult for a breeder to re-home an older kitten for the same price.
post #8 of 15
If you have a contract then that is legally binding. Now many times it is more trouble than it is worth to enforce contracts in court, but since you have this contract, if the person decided to pursue you in court, they would win. And they can find out, you would be suprised what a small world it really can be in cats! But I don't think anyone can tell you for sure if they will find out and if they will use their legal rights if they do. Just a big unknown.

It does raise concern to me that the breeder gave you an intact kitten (you said they were going to sell cat to a breeder). Are you showing? Had you planned to show? Why was the kitten intact?

Since you entered a contract with a breeder that says written permission must be given before you transfer ownership, then you agreed to those terms when entering the contract. It is sad you can't keep your cat, but you did sign a contract and can't just place it with another family without written permission from the breeder. If you hadn't signed a contract the situation would be different.

Since you have had the cat for a very short period of time, I think it is good the breeder will give you some of that money back for the kitty.

If you have papers, but didn't send them in, then you don't own the cat in your name in the first place in that manner. The breeder will provide you with the papers, then the new owner will send those papers in with a fee to register the cat in their name.

You said you just contact the breeder through e-mail. Sometimes e-mail communication isn't the best way to understand true feeling and emotions, something written can be taken way out of context. It might be better if you call the breeder.

Good luck for your kitty!
post #9 of 15
You need to tell the breeder period. As a breeder who has first right of refusal in my contract I would be livid if i found out. and I would persue it. The breeder can find out especially if they register. The registry does keep that info on file. And while I have not yet personally asked them for any info, I assume its like the horse reisterys and you can get the info on a registered animal.

You signed the contract Its up to you to uphold it. Its legal and binding.
post #10 of 15
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She doesn't know where I live or my phone number because I have moved since then and the only way she has contact with me is through email. She doesn't know the person I am giving the cat to either and like I said she lives in another state. So actually my question is could she find out through the registration in anyway. Other than that there is no possible way of her find out I gave the cat to someone else. I will never see or hear from her again.
Just FYI, if she did decide to persue legal action, she can find you. It's not hard. Most people are found easily with very little information. She herself wouldn't be able to do it, but any lawyer would be able to. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

I'd try to explain that you already have someone lined up to take the cat. She should be ok with that, since the other person she has would probably just buy another cat from her.

I understand this type of thing in the contract is common with breeders, but it's becoming common with shelters too. The last shelter we adopted from said that either we own the cat, or she has to go back to the shelter.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Nonya View Post
I offered the cat back to her and she flipped out saying she was going to have to find another BUYER and that I would only get part of my money back and it would take around 3 months.
Is there anything in the contract about getting your money back? I know with my kittens, there is no refund if I ever return them to the breeder.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Nonya View Post
Hi there.
I bought my cat from a terrible breeder. She is rude and when I found out my husband and I were going to be moving alot the next couple of years and may or may not have accomidations for the cat she got very rude with me. I had only had the cat 3 months and she offered me only part of my money back AFTER she found another buyer so she could make EXTRA off of her.

I know that is probably protocol with Breeders, but anyway...
This most certainly is ~not~ protocol with Breeders. As a general rule, Breeders do not make money from the sale of kittens. And frankly, you should consider yourself lucky that she is willing to refund anything at all to you. Most breeders wouldn't give you ~any~ of your purchase price back. As for this breeder being rude to you, frankly, you should have anticipated that. Breeders have a reasonable expectation of their kitten buyers to recognize the kitten as a life-long responsibility. If your life situation changes, then you should be able to make the appropriate choices for accommodating your pets. If you cannot do this, then the ONLY responsible thing to do is to return the kitten to the breeder and cut your losses. Yes, it is an extremely pricey mistake, but my guess is that you will think twice before repeating it.

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Originally Posted by Nonya View Post
My Question is I found a wonderful family who I think would make great parents for my kitty. They want to register the animal as well, which I have not done yet.

The breeder lives in a completely different state etc, is there any way for her to find out if I transferred the cat?
If the new owners don't plan on registering this kitten, then honestly, no, there isn't any way for the breeder to know you have placed the kitten elsewhere. But for you to do that is, in my opinion, extremely dishonest and in direct violation of the written terms of your contract. You agreed to your breeder's terms when you signed the contract. My strong suggestion to you is to bite the bullet, once again contact your breeder, however rude you think she is, tell her you have found a wonderful family who you think will make great parents for this kitten and give her their contact information. Let her call and screen them - and make the determination of whether or not they are so wonderful. If she agrees to let them take ownership, then she can contact her registry association and request that a replacement registration slip be issued with the new owners name on it.

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Originally Posted by Nonya View Post
if your going to be rude don't bother.
That's pretty harsh of you when you come to a Breeder's Forum and ask for advice. I'm sorry your situation will be changing to the point that you feel you can no longer meet your obligation to this kitten, but the fact is that as Breeders, our concern and focus is on the health, welfare and happiness of the ~kitten~ we placed with you. It would be irresponsible of us not to be this way. And in my opinion, it is irresponsible and horribly dishonest of you to even think of trying to get around the terms of your contract.

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Originally Posted by Nonya View Post
I just want to know if she will find out about the transfer because I would hate for these people to have the pet for a while and something happen. I'm just GIVING the the cat.
If your concern is so much for the kitten, then go about placing him/her the ~right~ way. Don't go behind your breeder's back. Be honest with her, let it roll off if she is snippy with you and remember what the bigger picture here actually is - a little kitten. Your feelings and opinions about the breeder or her attitude are secondary.

I am sorry if you find my comments on this rude or harsh but honestly, you've told us that you are trying to get out of the terms you agreed to and if you were dealing with me, I don't care how many states away I lived from you, I would be in my car and fast on my way to pick that baby up and bring it immediately back to my home. The money from a subsequent sale isn't the issue here - the health, welfare and happiness of the kitten is. Try to remember that when you carefully consider your next action.
post #13 of 15
I just want to add something. I'm not a breeder nor ever likely to be so my comments aren't coming from that direction.

I was in tears last week to see a beautiful cat returned to our shelter from some folks that signed a contract not to de-claw, left the shelter with their new kitten, had it de-clawed, experienced a normal reaction to de-clawing which is the cat stopped using the litter pan and they have now returned the de-clawed cat to the shelter. These folks' dishonesty have now put another cat in the shelter that will probably have to spend the rest of it's life in that shelter since they don't feel they can "honestly" let someone adopt a cat they know will just be returned time and time again with litter pan issues. Their dishonestly has basically cost this cat it's freedom. Does that make me mad? Does it make me sad? You want to believe it.

If you sign a contract then IMO you are obligated to honour the terms of that contract whether it be for a cat or for anything else in your life.

Please do the right thing and let the breeder have this kitten back so she can find it a forever, loving home. And I would beg that if you feel you will be moving around a lot and are not sure you can accommodate a pet at any time while you are moving around, please don't adopt a pet. Wait until you are truly settled before taking on a pet. They are a 20 year commitment and until such time as you can honestly make that commitment, it is only fair not to subject an animal to the uncertainty.
post #14 of 15
As an ex-breeder, I had in my contract that I wanted to know if the owner could not keep the cat and I had FIRST choice of taking the cat back or I would ok the owner to rehome. However, they would ONLY get money back if the cat was returned within the first few days and ONLY if it was a medical problem.

I had to take back one of my kittens after a few months and the owner was upset she didnt' get any money from me. But it was clearly stated in the contract.

Breeders don't make money; there are lots of expenses. And besides before the cat is returned to me, the cat/kitten had to be seen by a vet within 2 days and cleared of any medical problems before I would take him/her back into my house.

My question to you is "Is this cat spayed or neutered?" If not the cat should be done before it goes to another person, even if they want to register the cat. Was your cat bought as a pet, breeder, show?
post #15 of 15
I hope the shelter didn't give them their money back! And I hope they put them on a "No Adoption" list. In fact, I'd look into sueing them. CREEPS! Thank God they at least had the sense to bring the cat back and not dump him. Poor kitty.
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