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post #61 of 72
Vigilante justice would be lynching the guys in the back yard when they show up. The most I could call the PJ show and their outfit would be Vigilante investigators.
post #62 of 72
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I am never happy about vigilante justice - ever. All it does is reduce you to the same level as criminals, and make the criminal justice system untrustworthy, unstable, unethical and corrupt. I don't agree with entrapment - because you can make anything look bad if you try hard enough. I don't believe in guilty until proven innocent, and I don't believe that we should take the law into our own hands. Too often it ends in disaster.

As I have said before more than once on this site, my eldest brother is a criminal prosecutor who caseload is 95% paedophiles and child sex offenders. I asked him about vigilante justice in these kinds of cases and he told me that all it does is get in the way of what they're trying to do and make their jobs harder.

And these kinds of `justice' groups do nothing but ensure that paedophiles' cases get thrown out of court on appeal, because of the illegal and dodgy way they were caught in the first place - which makes it that much harder for them to be caught and prosecuted again. No, these groups don't do any good - in fact much more harm than good. Because they don't think of the bigger picture, only their own immediate sense of revenge. Which is a bit pathetic, really.
You know I have to agree. Even when you work with cops, still, if certain measures aren't followed then that just increases the amount of cases that get thrown out because someone forgot to include a warrant, or they do something that wasn't mandated by the court first.

I also understand that the courts do take a while in order to get the proper documentation so that you could get the proper evidence. So the courts just need to speed things up.
post #63 of 72
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I may be wrong, but I'm guessing you either don't have any children or very young children. If you honestly believe parents can keep up with everything their kids are doing, then you need to take off those rose-tinted glasses. If our teens REALLY want to do something and not have their parents find out - they'll find a way. I think there are cases where parents aren't vigilant enough and other times too vigilant, but it is just wrong to assume these parents are to blame. The blame here is IMO clearly on an "adult" acting like a nasty, vengeful kid and picking on another kid.

If that woman had physically hit the girl, would everyone take her side and say the girl asked for it? I believe it is no less vile to prey on a sensitive person than it is to use physical violence.

I hope her parents sue.



You scare me with talk like that. Anything anyone can do to catch these perverts should be allowed as far as I'm concerned. IMO they have no rights when it comes to abusing children.

I can't tell you how angry I was to hear of the 2 Canadians recently who were nabbed for sex crimes (one in Thailand). I'm glad they were caught and I hope they rot in he**. What is even worse is that it is common in Thailand for foreign perverts to prey on the young children because the laws there will do nothing about it.


I do have children, I have a 30 year old son and a 28 year old daughter. My children were never in trouble of any kind, I always knew where they were and who they were with. My children had a curfew to be in by. I am not saying that it was easy to do that, but I did, I am not looking through rose-tinted glasses either. I understand that it is hard raising a child now, but I think some parents find it is easier just to let them do instead of keeping up with them. And I say that from working at a kindergarden/day care. Some of our parents there are idiots, they have no control over their own children. Some of their kids mind us better than they do their parents. And this is because the children know that there will be consequences if they don't. These same children also know that their parents are gonna do anything to them if they don't mind them.

I am just saying that these parents knew that this 13 year old girl was having problems, so they should have been keeping up with her just a little more. If I am not mistaken, when I read the original article, the girl and her mother had just had a arguement, so maybe that brought it on. Who knows what was going through this childs mind?

The neighbor was wrong for doing what she did, she did not act like a responsible adult. She should have taken it up with the neighbors mother, or she should have just left it alone. But I don't believe that she is to blame. But that is my opinion.
post #64 of 72
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I am never happy about vigilante justice - ever. All it does is reduce you to the same level as criminals, and make the criminal justice system untrustworthy, unstable, unethical and corrupt. I don't agree with entrapment - because you can make anything look bad if you try hard enough. I don't believe in guilty until proven innocent, and I don't believe that we should take the law into our own hands. Too often it ends in disaster.

As I have said before more than once on this site, my eldest brother is a criminal prosecutor who caseload is 95% paedophiles and child sex offenders. I asked him about vigilante justice in these kinds of cases and he told me that all it does is get in the way of what they're trying to do and make their jobs harder.

And these kinds of `justice' groups do nothing but ensure that paedophiles' cases get thrown out of court on appeal, because of the illegal and dodgy way they were caught in the first place - which makes it that much harder for them to be caught and prosecuted again. No, these groups don't do any good - in fact much more harm than good. Because they don't think of the bigger picture, only their own immediate sense of revenge. Which is a bit pathetic, really.
I personally am a bit uncomfortable with the show because it's on TV. A lot of these men do have families, children, etc. Gotta be very embarrassing to see your husband or father on TV like that. But at the same time I am not against sting operations to catch these men because what were to happen if they talked to an actual teenager?
post #65 of 72
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Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
I personally am a bit uncomfortable with the show because it's on TV. A lot of these men do have families, children, etc. Gotta be very embarrassing to see your husband or father on TV like that. But at the same time I am not against sting operations to catch these men because what were to happen if they talked to an actual teenager?
These same men have seen this show, have admitted to seeing it, yet they still made a decision to meet with a child. If they are embarrassed, then they have no one but themselves to blame. Maybe their next decision will be a wiser one.
post #66 of 72
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Originally Posted by Duchess15 View Post
These same men have seen this show, have admitted to seeing it, yet they still made a decision to meet with a child. If they are embarrassed, then they have no one but themselves to blame. Maybe their next decision will be a wiser one.
It's not the men I am worried about, but their relatives and families.
The relatives and families have done nothing wrong.
post #67 of 72
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Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
It's not the men I am worried about, but their relatives and families.
The relatives and families have done nothing wrong.
True. I agree with that. It must be very heartbreaking for them.
post #68 of 72
I agree Jennifer - I have no problem with sting operations if they are carried out by police and not civilians. And I certainly have a huge problem with it being on television. This kind of thing should not be for our entertainment - same reason I hate the show `Cheaters'. It's just sensationalism of a horrible subject and I can't bear to watch. Nor can I understand anyone who derives enjoyment out of watching such things.
post #69 of 72
I've never seen the show myself, I'm not the reality TV type. I don't do survivors, dancers or insane chefs either

But I can see the point of not putting it on for entertainment, but I am a firm believer in running these kind of operations. There will never be enough law enforcement online to catch all of these people. A couple of months ago, when the caught one of the international ones that had made a video of his deed and posted it on the internet, they said that video had been downloaded tens of thousands of times.

There are just SO many of them.
post #70 of 72
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I agree Jennifer - I have no problem with sting operations if they are carried out by police and not civilians. And I certainly have a huge problem with it being on television. This kind of thing should not be for our entertainment - same reason I hate the show `Cheaters'. It's just sensationalism of a horrible subject and I can't bear to watch. Nor can I understand anyone who derives enjoyment out of watching such things.
and that is the key, NOT civilians who are paid 100,000 dollars a show.
pay me 100,000 and i promise i will get more then 5 people.


So it seems ethics, and justice get tossed out the window in favor of witch hunts and TV ratings.
post #71 of 72
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
So it seems ethics, and justice get tossed out the window in favor of witch hunts and TV ratings.
Exactly
post #72 of 72
I'm not at all sure about other police agencies, but here, even if there isn't an arrest made, one of these guys showing up is recorded and a "contact card" is made out on them. The fact that the person is identified as being a potential criminal for future reference means a lot.
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