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My new vet shocked me

post #1 of 28
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I went to a new vet yesterday, it's a cat’s only clinic and I thought I'd give it a try. I took Abby in because even though we've cut down on her food and started feeding her better quality food she hasn't lost any weight. She has not gained any weight in a year so the vet said that was a good thing.
I was thinking that she might have hypothyroidism.
Well the vet checked her out and said that she is very healthy! She seems to think that she may just have a slow metabolism and/or she's just lazy.
She did say one thing that shocked me (in a good way) she suggested that I try an all wet diet! That is the first time I've heard a vet say that all wet is better - I know it is but it's nice to have a vet that's not pushing dry.
So now I get to try to wean her off dry (she likes it more than wet).
All in all I like the place it's clean and the staff is friendly. It’s a little more expensive than my vet in New England but not too bad.
They also have some cats for adoption so I looked at the males they had. I will post more about that in the lounge.
post #2 of 28
That is wonderful to hear! I thought you were going to say she told you to declaw or something!
post #3 of 28
That's wonderful about your kitty being healthy!

Kudos to your vet. My regular vet (who is feline only) is of the "dry is better for the teeth" school. But I did have an ER vet recently tell me that wet is better.
post #4 of 28
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That is wonderful to hear! I thought you were going to say she told you to declaw or something!
that is what I was thinking
post #5 of 28
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thought you were going to say she told you to declaw or something!
I thought the same thing!!
post #6 of 28
I thought it was going to be bad too. At least now you have someone to see when it comes to food!!
post #7 of 28
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I hadn't even thought of declawing.
It seems like a nice place and I will be comfortable taking Abby there, plus I may get a new kitty from them as well.
post #8 of 28
about a year ago we got a new vet because ours died unexpectedly of a heart condition, he was only in his 40's. the vet that replaced him i am not all that thrilled about, doesn't really listen to me or seem to take the time to know us. but then again, our old vet was a friend. anyway, the new vet is very insistent on wet is better, expecially since my 8 year old boy needed surgery for a complete blockage due to crystals. damian will have nothing to do with prescription wet, but will eat the c/d dry just fine. he will only eat a half a can of wet a day, if even that.
post #9 of 28
There are a number of threads about the merit of wet over dry food. It might be counter intuitive, but if you want to get your cat to lose weight, switching to a high quality wet food is the way to go. Avoid Kitty Crack (Fancy Feast) and other cheap foods as the fillers in them are no better than dry.

I've had to switch one of my cats to wet when he had his teeth extracted. I have a very long Word document on how to do this. If you want a copy, send me a PM with your e-mail address. It's too long to post out here.
post #10 of 28
Congratulations on finding a good vet! There used to be a cats only clinic in my area, but they moved, and they understood that dry food was responsible for weight gain in a lot of cats and understood that wet is better for weight control.

I didn't think I could switch my cats to all wet but I did accomplish it. Just put them through kitty rehab. Dry food is very addicting. Get the dry food out of the house so they don't smell it. Don't buy any more dry. If your cat needs something to crunch you can give them freeze dried all meat treats.

According to Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins, a vet who is dedicated to treating and preventing feline diabetis, as long as your cat is eating a minimum of 3 to 4 ounces of wet food a day you can continue with the all wet food diet. Offer more than 3 ounces of wet of course. But you don't need to fall back on the dry as long as your cat is eating at least this amount.

And if you have a cat that won't eat anything other than Fancy Feast for wet that's ok, just get the loaf style wet foods, not the chunks in gravy. Wheat gluten is not a healthy ingredient.

Also keep this in mind. Dry food is not really palatable to cats. The only reason cats love it is because the pet food manufacturers spray a fatty meat digest liquid spray on it which cats find highly irresistable and addicting. In the absense of this your cat would turn up his nose at this breakfast cereal for cats and that's the truth. Any cat with enough patience and persistence can learn to love wet food.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by moggiegirl View Post
Congratulations on finding a good vet! There used to be a cats only clinic in my area, but they moved, and they understood that dry food was responsible for weight gain in a lot of cats and understood that wet is better for weight control.

I didn't think I could switch my cats to all wet but I did accomplish it. Just put them through kitty rehab. Dry food is very addicting. Get the dry food out of the house so they don't smell it. Don't buy any more dry. If your cat needs something to crunch you can give them freeze dried all meat treats.

According to Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins, a vet who is dedicated to treating and preventing feline diabetis, as long as your cat is eating a minimum of 3 to 4 ounces of wet food a day you can continue with the all wet food diet. Offer more than 3 ounces of wet of course. But you don't need to fall back on the dry as long as your cat is eating at least this amount.

And if you have a cat that won't eat anything other than Fancy Feast for wet that's ok, just get the loaf style wet foods, not the chunks in gravy. Wheat gluten is not a healthy ingredient.

Also keep this in mind. Dry food is not really palatable to cats. The only reason cats love it is because the pet food manufacturers spray a fatty meat digest liquid spray on it which cats find highly irresistable and addicting. In the absense of this your cat would turn up his nose at this breakfast cereal for cats and that's the truth. Any cat with enough patience and persistence can learn to love wet food.
Thank you for the tips (and Momofmany) Abby gets California Natural wet. I had her on Max cat light but I couldn't find it when I moved. I have started giving her more wet when I feed her and we are making sure not to go over 1/4 cup of dry a day (plus the little bit that goes in her treat ball). I am going to wean her off dry food.
I tried to give her freeze dried fish and she hated it. I can't find any chicken in the stores, I may have to order some.
post #12 of 28
you can use the freeze dried chicken rounds for dog s with a cat as treat ...

TRY a adult( not light or indoor) dry for "snacks" ... 1/4 cup for a ave cat is a good snack with a main line wet diet
post #13 of 28
I take both of my cats to a Cat-Only Clinic. It is a 45 minute drive, but I wouldn't think of taking them anywhere else. It seems like normal vets focus more on the needs of dogs, especially the ones in my city. We have 3 vets where I live and every one of them are all about dogs. My dog's vet doesn't even have a small counter scale for cats.
post #14 of 28
I've read a few articles on the net about the benefits of a wet diet over dry. They say that eating dry does nothing to keep their teeth clean. There's something in wet that get the saliva doing its job to clean the teeth. There's a couple of articles (6&7) at www.felinefuture.com/nutrition
I'm of the opinion that a natural diet is best for dogs & cats, & I started to give Blossom chicken bones when she was young to get her used to eating them. She used to love it, but being lazy & going away a few times it was easier for my working sons to feed her wet & dry as she's always had.
When I get the chance to get to the pet warehouse that sells California Natural & Innova products.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Abacat View Post
Thank you for the tips (and Momofmany) Abby gets California Natural wet. I had her on Max cat light but I couldn't find it when I moved. I have started giving her more wet when I feed her and we are making sure not to go over 1/4 cup of dry a day (plus the little bit that goes in her treat ball). I am going to wean her off dry food.
I tried to give her freeze dried fish and she hated it. I can't find any chicken in the stores, I may have to order some.
My cats like freeze dried chicken the best. If you order it look for brands such as Live a Littles and Whole Life treats.
post #16 of 28
Hi everyone,

I'm so glad to find a post of this issue since the same thing happened for us. Good thing you brought it up Abacat. I went to a new vet and he had some different opinions than the old one that's for sure!. First he explained the importance of an all wet diet, since dry food can cause all sorts of health problems. Second he told me that my boy might have an obsessive-compulsive behavior with his dry nursing but that's another story.

It seems like some of the people that replied to this post have experience in shifting to wet food only. My cats like the wet food, but they also enjoy the dry food as a snack between meals. So do you just remove the dry food completely? I'm worried that they might be hungry during the night, since they are used to unlimited access to dry food. If you feed only wet does your kitties just get used to no food at night? Btw, mine are kittens, so they eat a LOT
post #17 of 28
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Hi everyone,

I'm so glad to find a post of this issue since the same thing happened for us. Good thing you brought it up Abacat. I went to a new vet and he had some different opinions than the old one that's for sure!. First he explained the importance of an all wet diet, since dry food can cause all sorts of health problems. Second he told me that my boy might have an obsessive-compulsive behavior with his dry nursing but that's another story.

It seems like some of the people that replied to this post have experience in shifting to wet food only. My cats like the wet food, but they also enjoy the dry food as a snack between meals. So do you just remove the dry food completely? I'm worried that they might be hungry during the night, since they are used to unlimited access to dry food. If you feed only wet does your kitties just get used to no food at night? Btw, mine are kittens, so they eat a LOT
Many of us ... MYSELF included leave out some dry for a mostly wet eater to eat overnight.... Kandie ate wet and dry for 13-14 years of her life... I made sure she had dry while I went to school and when we went to bed ... I prefer not to leave wet out for over 1 hour( my Zoey is a slow wet eater) but some do leave it out all night
post #18 of 28
My Kitties could eat wet food all day! I always was told "You're not suppose to feed them that, its bad for them" SO Im kind of anxious to try and all wet diet!

Sheeba: Whats a Dry Nurser?
post #19 of 28
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My Kitties could eat wet food all day! I always was told "You're not suppose to feed them that, its bad for them" SO Im kind of anxious to try and all wet diet!

Sheeba: Whats a Dry Nurser?
a dry nurser is a weened kitten or puppy that sucks on either a cat or dog or a human
post #20 of 28
That is great!
post #21 of 28
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Thank you all for the wet food advice. It has only been a few days since I started giving Abby more wet and less dry but things are going well. For the second day in a row she has had some dry left in her bowl when I got up in the morning to feed her. I have also been mixing in a little warm water with her food to warm it up and she seems to like it. I will be ordering her some dehydrated chicken to use a a snack. I may keep some dry on hand just as a treat/snack.
post #22 of 28
from what i've read - wet is better health-wise for a cat. cats are carnivores unlike dogs and really shouldn't have carbs - which is what dry food is full of and it makes them fat. a lot of really obese cats lose weight very quickly when they go on an all wet diet. but while it's better for their bodies, it's horrible for their teeth. you really have to be committed to brushing every day because having really bad teeth can cause health problems too, you may just be trading one health problem with another. but if you can be committed to brushing teeth, then wet is definitely better (and more expensive). on the other hand - wet is not better for dogs, dogs are omnivores and can handle carbs and such. there are some that say raw (all raw meat) diets are best for dogs and a lot of breeders/showers swear by it so that's a whole other discussion but whether or not it's better, a dog can handle the mixed food matter that comes in dry food better than a cat can since cats are not ominivores. i was a dog person first and always heard how bad wet food is because it is horrible for teeth and dry food is just as healthy (yes some disagree but this is more or less the consensus) so there is no reason to feed wet so when i heard that all wet for cats is better i was really surprised but after reading a lot into it (scientific articles and talking to vets) i found out that the big difference is just that cats are carnivores rather than omnivores and just process food different from a dog even though i always assumed they were more or less the same.
post #23 of 28
NOTE ...

cats are OBLICATE carnivores

dog are carnivores : http://dogsobediencetraining.com/inf...n_dog_wiki.htm

Dogs digestion is VERY simliar to a cat ... JUST FYI
post #24 of 28
I wish my cat liked dry better. When i am out of wet food and i don't have any for her, she looks at me with the saddest look a cat can give .
post #25 of 28
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from what i've read - wet is better health-wise for a cat. cats are carnivores unlike dogs and really shouldn't have carbs - which is what dry food is full of and it makes them fat. a lot of really obese cats lose weight very quickly when they go on an all wet diet. but while it's better for their bodies, it's horrible for their teeth. you really have to be committed to brushing every day because having really bad teeth can cause health problems too, you may just be trading one health problem with another. but if you can be committed to brushing teeth, then wet is definitely better (and more expensive). on the other hand - wet is not better for dogs, dogs are omnivores and can handle carbs and such. there are some that say raw (all raw meat) diets are best for dogs and a lot of breeders/showers swear by it so that's a whole other discussion but whether or not it's better, a dog can handle the mixed food matter that comes in dry food better than a cat can since cats are not ominivores. i was a dog person first and always heard how bad wet food is because it is horrible for teeth and dry food is just as healthy (yes some disagree but this is more or less the consensus) so there is no reason to feed wet so when i heard that all wet for cats is better i was really surprised but after reading a lot into it (scientific articles and talking to vets) i found out that the big difference is just that cats are carnivores rather than omnivores and just process food different from a dog even though i always assumed they were more or less the same.
Actually dry food does nothing to help clean a cat's teeth. Cats do not "chew" - their jaws move only up and down and not side to side. Cats generally swallow dry food without chewing or if they do break the dry kernel, they use the tip of the tooth and then swallow.

I like to use the example of a human eating a dry cracker versus a tablespoon or so of Beef Stew. You'll find that the saliva in your mouth mixes with the dry cracker and you'll end up with more food left on your teeth than you will after eating the stew.

So, no, dry food doesn't do a thing for their teeth. As for brushing, some cats are more prone to tartar buildup (just as with humans). It's not a bad idea to get kitty used to having their teeth brushed anyway.
post #26 of 28
Wow, I'm glad I read this thread! My original vet told me to feed my cats indoor formula to keep their weight back, and it worked for a while, until we went out of town and the lady we got to watch the cats (trusted and family) overfed them so they got insanely fat (in just 10 days). They love the wet food much better than the dry, so I think its worth a try.

Thanks for the helpful hints guys!
post #27 of 28
I wish I had a feline vet around. I get tired of sitting with snakes, skunks, lizards, various birds and bunnys. Really, how can the vet be an expert on all of these?
post #28 of 28
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I wish I had a feline vet around. I get tired of sitting with snakes, skunks, lizards, various birds and bunnys. Really, how can the vet be an expert on all of these?
yes a vet could be well versed in common issues of all those...lol ask anyone with fish you learn to be there vet ... Expert would depend on what you define it as ...
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