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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
We were talking about this story at work the other day.

Basically the landscapers showed up and the guy told him to stay in the car. His dog, puppies, and wife child were outside and he didn't want the two groups to entwine. Well the landscapers didn't listen and got out of his car anyway.

One of the landscapers turned out to have a fear of the dog and when he came across the dog and puppies began to beat them with a rake. The wife tries to stop the attack, however she rushes over, the guy grabs her and accidentally they fall over. That's when the dog attacked and bit the landscaper.

Now the dog that bit is being put on death row. Luckily his death date keeps getting pushed back. However this was ordered by a judge upon the landscaper winning the case.

1) I can't believe that a landscaper would have a fear of animals. Isn't that part of his work environment?

2) IMO the dog was protecting its owner...that's what dogs do. Anyone that knows anything about dogs is that they are truly man's best friend.

Story:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=5752093
Decision:
http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/german....2.566960.html

Ok....go!
post #2 of 27
if some landscaper or anyone, was to try and hurt my animals, there would be some real issues. just ask my father who tried to kill eazy with a his work boots.

dog should be sent home.

landscaper should be wrapped up in chains, and tossed into cage with 100 puppies for a few days
post #3 of 27
Ummmm.....duh? Wave something in the air near me, anything, & my dogs will not hesitate to rip you limb from limb.
post #4 of 27
Even my cowardly Bear goes on the defense when things are waved at me.
Poor dog, poor family.
Stupid landscaper.
post #5 of 27
HUMMM ....
Maybe we should put the JUDGE who put him there in a cage or in the exact situation...

GSD s are first a herding dog ... as a herding dog they protected the flock or herd ... Thru guarding the flock they guard there humans... obviously the judge KNOWS abosolutely NOTHING about dogs

Ohh and If I had a fear of dogs and saw one I would NOT get out of the truck
post #6 of 27
The story says that one of the men grabbed the woman and forced her to the ground. Why isn't there a counter suit for assault charges? Or damage to property for hitting the dogs? What about trespassing since the landscapers were told not to enter the property?
post #7 of 27
http://www.packetonline.com/articles...9008681902.txt

IMO, the dog should be allowed to live, but the owner should have been able to prevent the severe MAULING!! Also, the owner seems to be "grandstanding" for all it's worth - claiming that "his wife was used as a human shield" and trying to portray the victim's story as "changing" when in reality, there were variations in the several different interpretations by 3 different interpreters.
Save the dog BUT - NO RABIES VACCINATIONS FOR THE DOGS make the owners be responsible AND GET THOSE DOGS THEIR RABIES SHOTS - What kind of owners are they??????? Even all my CATS have their rabies shots.
I vote for sending Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer, to the scene I'd love to see that show
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
Wow...not that I'm doubting you Heather, I'm just really surprised to read that the dogs were not vaccinated for rabies!!

Since I've had 3 of the 4 cats to the vet since moving to NJ, the vet has always asked for copies of their rabies vaccination. No vet ever did in MI. So I just assumed that it was some sort of law out here.

I'd like the hear the wifes story. From what I understand the owner was upstairs the entire time, so a lot of the story is between the landscaper and the owners interpretation.
post #9 of 27
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1) I can't believe that a landscaper would have a fear of animals. Isn't that part of his work environment?
No, it isn't. Many landscapers include in their contract that any animals you may have must be removed from the premises while they work. Your mailman can refuse to deliver mail on the grounds that you have a dog, so can a landscaper. While the article says they arrived early, and which case the owner could have had time to put the dogs away, you never know what is completely true in a court case.

I agree that the dog was just protecting it's owner, and should not be put doen for that. But I question a vicious attack with a rake for a dog just quietly passing by, it obviously did something to startle the worker in the first place and make the second one feel that he needed a 'human shield'. Unfortunately some people do train their dogs to be vicious and attack anyone on their property. The dogs should also have had their rabies injections, any vet around here would ask for the certificate.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
The story says that one of the men grabbed the woman and forced her to the ground. Why isn't there a counter suit for assault charges? Or damage to property for hitting the dogs? What about trespassing since the landscapers were told not to enter the property?

BINGO!!!!!! The fact that there isn't is a tad disturbing to me.
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
There are other stories that say that the fall was accidental. He was still using her as a human shield, but when he grabbed her they both lost their balance and fell. That's when the dog attacked.
post #12 of 27
What angers me is that the guy attacked the dogs first. Why isn't he being charged with assault on the dogs? It's his fault for going onto the property in the first place when the owner told him not to come yet because of the dogs.
And then grabbing the woman? I'm surprised she isn't charging assault on him as well.
post #13 of 27
My uncle has an extreme fear of dogs, after watching a childhood friend get attack when he was a kid so I can understand his fear. But they were puppies! little helpless puppies. He should have asked the owner to put the dogs inside, not beat them! The dog was just protecting his owner and should be given back to his family.
post #14 of 27
We had a neighbor with dogs trained by his son. When you drove onto their property, you did not get out until they came out of the house and gave the commands to the dogs. (Then the dogs were sweethearts.)

If the landscaper did get out even though he was told not to, and attacked the dog first, why does the dog have to suffer?
post #15 of 27
Actually, there was no evidence of the dog being attacked by the rake - veterinary exams have revealed that the wounds were DOG BITES caused by the other dogs who were present and became frenzied as well.
And, the dog, MAULED - repeat MAULED- the victim. I have had dogs my whole life, and I've known even more, most of who were watchdogs who will bite to protect, but there is a big difference between biting and mauling. Even the owner's wife was knocked over in the melee.
IMO, the dog should NOT be euthanized, but rather, a hearing should be held on whether or not the present owners should be allowed to continue owning the animal. No vaccination; allowing animals to pack; unable to control them during a vicious attack; this to me, sounds like an "owner's lack of responsibility" issue.
But then, again, I'm a big fan of rehabilitating dogs - my best dog ever, Tasha, was a confirmed cat killer who went on to help me foster kittens and successfully raised two litters, from less than 2 weeks old - I am sure that Tasha can be found helping to guard the RB against any evil that would try to go thru
post #16 of 27
i dont care who you are, you lay a hand on me, and my rottwelier wont take one second to get to you and rip you limb from limb. Even tho he is my SO's dog, when we get into a screaming match, the dog will jump on him and growl.


Im sorry, but if someone came on MY property without permission ( which being told to stay in the car, and getting out accounts to), and assulted me or my family, i would LET my dog attack that person. Its no diff then if in the same situation you shot the person, thinkin they were attacking your family member.

And if someone assulted my animal, a mauling by that animal would be better then what *I* would do to that person
post #17 of 27
Supposedly the workers showed up one hour early as the owner was about to get into the shower. He called out in Spanish for them to stay in their cars and they got out anyway. Certainly both of my dogs would act threateningly towards any strangers who showed up on my property and do not see me welcoming them. This is how my dogs can tell friend from foe.
On a dog board I am on two member expressed the opinion that the whole thing was a setup to delberately defraud the owner's homowners insurance. I mean, anyone who has any dealings with dogs (like landscapers) certainly knows that it is asking for trouble to approach dogs on their own turf without the owner being there to take control of his dogs.
I'm def with the dog and against the landscaper and judge on this one.
post #18 of 27
An unusual ending to the saga of Congo & the other GS dogs.....their owners have had them euthanized after an attack on a family member, even before the matter went to court.
http://www.towntopics.com/jun2508/story2.html
post #19 of 27
That is so incredibly wrong! The dog doesn't deserve to be sentenced to death due to protecting itself and its family. Why is it that nothing happens to the landscaper for beating the dog with a rake?! Yeah, he got bit, but um wouldn't you attack someone who was hitting you with a rake?

The landscaper should have stayed in his vehicle if he was afraid of the dog. I'm sure the owners would have gladly put the dogs inside if they had been given the chance.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Tara & Rob View Post
That is so incredibly wrong! The dog doesn't deserve to be sentenced to death due to protecting itself and its family. Why is it that nothing happens to the landscaper for beating the dog with a rake?! Yeah, he got bit, but um wouldn't you attack someone who was hitting you with a rake?

The landscaper should have stayed in his vehicle if he was afraid of the dog. I'm sure the owners would have gladly put the dogs inside if they had been given the chance.
I think you may have missed the post before yours. The dogs recently attacked a family member, and were euthanized for that reason.
post #21 of 27
That is one euthanization I agree with.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
That is one euthanization I agree with.
I am soooo sad because I have to agree with you. those poor dogs, they didn't have a chance in that kind of environment. It reminds me of kids who are abused and tormented throughout childhood only to grow up to become incurable serial violent criminals. Such senseless tragedies in these situations...
post #23 of 27
Something was weird about that story from the start. It seems as though a pack mentality had taken over but what is strange is that dogs attacked a family member later. This makes me wonder. That guy was quick to put them down. What is that about?
I would at least try to rehab my dogs with a behaviorist. So perhaps the James family was not on the up and up.
We had watch dogs that would bite but would never maul. Something just isn't all there with this story. I wonder if the landscaper wasn't chased first and I wonder if the dogs were uncontrollable. The wife obviously was unable to control them and blamed the landscapers.
Sadly the dogs suffered.
post #24 of 27
Don't get me wrong, it was irresponsible owners who did not do right by their dogs. No training. If you cannot be the pack leader of your dog, then you shouldn't have it.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Don't get me wrong, it was irresponsible owners who did not do right by their dogs. No training. If you cannot be the pack leader of your dog, then you shouldn't have it.
Yep. I agree. Our dogs scared the stuffing out of people but were easily controlled by all of us. They were properly controlled and handled at all times. I come from a big family and not one of us were ever hurt by our dogs. They would curl up in my bed and were loving and sweet. As kids they would watch over us as we explored our property but never once wrongly attacked anyone.
When dogs get put down because of bad owners it is sad to me. Having a watchdog is a responsibility.
post #26 of 27
We used to have GSDs and the bigger one, Jerry, would always protect me against strangers without me ever having trained him to. Only he was never aggressive about it. He was HUGE, and he used to just wander over to where I was and put himself firmly between me and whoever he felt he had to protect me from. He'd just sit - almost right on my feet - and watch whoever was approaching me or was near me. Once some guy thought he'd be tough and challenge him, and Jerry just took the man's hand in his mouth - very gently - and stayed put with rock-solid determination until the man started backing off. He was such a good dog.

My point is that if you nurture and cherish your dogs, there is no need to `train' them to have guarding instincts (especially dogs that already have the instinct strongly like GSDs or Rotties or Dobermanns) because their instinct will take over, and if they are secure, happy, loved and well-rounded dogs they will not respond with aggression 99% of the time. And a well-trained and happy dog will not bite first - they have a number of ways to `warn' people before biting or attacking even comes into it. That way you have time to identify this and call your dog to order before anything bad happens.

People are so quick to blame dogs in these sorts of situations but what they don't realise is that dogs start life with a clean slate - same as humans - and will behave in a way that is a combination of both their instinct and how they have been taught to behave by the way they were raised.

If a dog has been abused or treated cruelly or confused by its owners or environment it will not respond in a rational way to situations of stress. Owners are 100% of the time responsible for how their dog behaves and the dogs' natural instinct and personality will always manifest itself, but only within the boundaries of how it was raised.
post #27 of 27
"One of the landscapers turned out to have a fear of the dog and when he came across the dog and puppies began to beat them with a rake."

UHM... I'm sure SEVERAL of us watch or have heard of ANIMAL COPS on Animal Planet... *Animal Abuse*?!?!?! *He was on someone ELSES property... was fearful of the dog and because of that BEAT IT WITH A RAKE?!?!?!*

HE is the one that needs to be charged with a crime!
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