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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true


I bet Hillary wished she wouldn't have been so wishy washy in the debate when asked about this subject.

SEE, people, CAN make a difference.
post #2 of 19
It was a dumb idea. He did the right thing.
post #3 of 19
I saw the news report tonight. I just didn't understand the logic behind the idea.
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I saw the news report tonight. I just didn't understand the logic behind the idea.
I think the logic was to force the federal government to take action by starting something on a state level.
post #5 of 19
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I saw the news report tonight. I just didn't understand the logic behind the idea.
The logic behind it was to return to the idea that the driver's license indicates that one is certified to drive on the roadways. And get more compliance with insurance, etc.

We don't want to have a national id but like the Social Security Number, Driver's licenses have become de facto national ids, but without the safe guards that issuing national ids would entail (that is proof of citizenship). This became a factor with the 9-11 hijackers.
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The logic behind it was to return to the idea that the driver's license indicates that one is certified to drive on the roadways. And get more compliance with insurance, etc.....
Ahhhh....but the REAL reason was to get driver's licenses into the hands of potential Democratic voters, because only a DL is required to vote.
post #7 of 19
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I think the logic was to force the federal government to take action by starting something on a state level.
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
The logic behind it was to return to the idea that the driver's license indicates that one is certified to drive on the roadways. And get more compliance with insurance, etc.

We don't want to have a national id but like the Social Security Number, Driver's licenses have become de facto national ids, but without the safe guards that issuing national ids would entail (that is proof of citizenship). This became a factor with the 9-11 hijackers.
Hmmm...thanks! All the news kept emphasizing was about illegal immigrants : They mentioned non of that!!!!
post #8 of 19
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071115/D8STV7C00.html

Hillary Clinton yesterday came out against driver's licenses for illegal aliens.
Day late and a dollar short baby.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
The logic behind it was to return to the idea that the driver's license indicates that one is certified to drive on the roadways. And get more compliance with insurance, etc.

We don't want to have a national id but like the Social Security Number, Driver's licenses have become de facto national ids, but without the safe guards that issuing national ids would entail (that is proof of citizenship). This became a factor with the 9-11 hijackers.
What people don't understand is the insurance laws in the state of New York. They are so strict that this would actually help track down illegals and deport them. Oh well. No one really wants to listen to the people who understand the laws in the first place.
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Ahhhh....but the REAL reason was to get driver's licenses into the hands of potential Democratic voters, because only a DL is required to vote.

Sorry Lookingglass, but I think it is much more to do with the above.
post #11 of 19
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Sorry Lookingglass, but I think it is much more to do with the above.
No it really didn't. I work with the NY DMV on a daily basis. This would have HELPED the people in NY far more than it would have hurt them. People just don't understand the current system of laws in that state.
post #12 of 19
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Well then the laws need to be changed then.

Why would we want to give illegal alien's driver's licenses? No, don't answer that, I don't care.
post #13 of 19
I don't live in NY and I don't know the laws or the particular problems faced, but I do understand that proposals for new laws can have many motivations, some of them stated and some understood. After all, under the principal of "killing two birds...." all of the above reasons listed in this thread, including mine, could have been in play. I suppose it depends on one's political preference whether one sees intention or just unintended consequences. In any case, it the glare of public opinion, it was a political liability for the Senator from NY, which trumps the ambitions of the Governor of NY.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
The logic behind it was to return to the idea that the driver's license indicates that one is certified to drive on the roadways. And get more compliance with insurance, etc.

We don't want to have a national id but like the Social Security Number, Driver's licenses have become de facto national ids, but without the safe guards that issuing national ids would entail (that is proof of citizenship). This became a factor with the 9-11 hijackers.
It has been over six years since 9/11, and we still don't have those safeguards. We want to be safe, we want to deport illegal aliens, yet we reject national IDs?

What's the big deal? We're already registered everywhere, what with SS numbers, driver's licenses, passports, LCB (Liquor Control Board) cards, cell phone contracts, IPs, credit and debt cards, etc., etc..
post #15 of 19
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So, we don't need National I.D.'s. We have SSN's
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Well then the laws need to be changed then.

Why would we want to give illegal alien's driver's licenses? No, don't answer that, I don't care.
Okay I'll make it as quick and painless as possible. If a person in NY has a drivers license they are put into a database with the DMV. To keep their license active they are FORCED to have insurance on any vehicle they own and put NY plates on. If that insurance expires, or they forget to pay, or he or she doesn't want it the drivers licence suspends as well as the plate on the car. NY cops are vicious about pulling people over. If they pull over someone who is illegal and they can't produce a green card they are getting deported. Period.

Because I work with the DMV I've had some horror stories. Cops have stopped people and had their cars towed while it was raining, snowing, and any other bad type of weather you can imagine.
post #17 of 19
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If they pull over someone who is illegal and they can't produce a green card they are getting deported. Period.
This is what needs to happen. How would giving them a license help? If it is to ID them so they can be deported, they aren't going to get them. If it is so that the police will see the license and not deport them, that is wrong.
post #18 of 19
Once again, let's start enforcing the laws we already have.

I see cars all over here with expired plates, or none at all. Just driving around, right past cops who don't pull them over.

If you don't have a license and get pulled over with no ID, you get thrown in jail unless you can produce it.

If you're not here legally, you are supposed to go back to where you came from and go through the process.

We don't need to give illegals driver's licenses. We need to enforce the laws that we have.
post #19 of 19
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You know that is to darn easy Heidi, our government has to clutter it all up with more laws.

Just like the Social Security deal, dang, remove the cap, so no matter how much you make you pay in. But no, that is much to easy. Then Bush wonders why his SS plan got shot down. Sorry OT
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