Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
If you don't have laws of some sort you would not know right from wrong, nor would you have any punishment.
You HAVE to have laws and they should be appropriate punishment for the consequences. While the ideas are right, the punishment (in Islam) is wrong. The point I was making is that on both sides they do agree that homosexual behavior is wrong. And I'm sure in other faiths its wrong too. Buddism, Jewish, etc.
Think of it this way. Would you let a child do whatever they wanted, when they wanted, how they wanted with NO consequences for any of their actions their entire life.........and just wait for God to pass judgement when he dies?
After all God did hand out rules to be followed AND the consequences of what would happen. He also punished those that didn't follow the rules. You can be a loving father who wants his children to be good, but also you have to mete out punishment for those who disobey!
You believe being gay is a crime. I can only be thankful that few agree with you, or our country might begin looking more and more similar to Iran.
A crime is something that hurts either the public or another person, directly or financially. Stealing, assault, murder, perjury, embezzlement, rape-- it is very easy to see who the victims are of a crime. A crime which results in the spiritual death of the person committing it... isn't a crime. That is not the case with our other laws, or with reprimanding children who are misbehaving, or any of your other faulty comparisons.
And that is exactly what they are doing in Iran. They are basing their laws directly on religious laws, defending themselves as doing what they're doing based on the word of a prophet.
Iran should serve as a warning of what happens when religious extremists take over a country. Innocent people are murdered by the state in the name of the God of those in power. My point in drawing a comparison was that I knew (almost) all of our reactions would be to recoil in horror and it would be all too easy to dismiss it when there are many in America and other supposedly more civilized countries who would just love to see the same thing happen here.
Also, as we are being shoved in the direction of WW3 by Cheney, which starts in Iran, I am unsurprised to see more and more reporting on the terrible things they do there. Hopefully people will realize what is actually happening. America has never gone to war just to save the voiceless, poor, underclasses of another country. It hasn't happened, and it isn't happening or else we would be in several countries in Africa and Asia and Eastern Europe and South America. There are far greater atrocities happening that we don't ever hear about.
Is it ridiculous to murder your own citizens because they're gay, or have been raped? Yes. Hopefully Iranians will revolt against their government again, though revolutions are not typically progressive as an end result. Ever. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do, nor is there anything we should be doing. Any intervention on our part will only strengthen people's loyalty to their government by giving them an enemy to hate in unity. You would think we would have learned that by now.