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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true



I like the comment that in American its racist to have to speak English. What do you think of that?
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It says you have to be a subscriber to read the article
post #3 of 17
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That's strange, I go right to it. Maybe it's only available locally?
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Is this the story?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true

I think maybe you were in a MyLATimes version, or some how you're automatically logged into
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Is this the story?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true

I think maybe you were in a MyLATimes version, or some how you're automatically logged into
That one does it too
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You have to register (for free) to read the LA Times.
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That one does it too
That's weird...I'm listed as "visitor".

Oh well
post #8 of 17
IMO those that come to America from other countries should be learning how to speak/read English!
post #9 of 17
Once again only in this country does this appear to be a issue.

to do business out of the expat area, it was expected you learn to speak, thai or chinese, or indoensian.

it was expected that you learn, But here it is racist if you think they should speak english outside of there home or community.
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Once again only in this country does this appear to be a issue.
Actually, it's a big issue in Germany and France right now. Both have parallel societies in which people refuse to learn German or French, and appear to be complaining that mainstream society isn't making a big enough effort to integrate them.

I'm an immigrant myself, and just can't understand that attitude. If you want to live in another country, it's up to you to learn the language and culture.
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IMO those that come to America from other countries should be learning how to speak/read English!
So do something about it. Volunteer to teach ESL. There's a huge demand for free tutoring for immigrants who want to learn English but don't have the resources.
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So do something about it. Volunteer to teach ESL. There's a huge demand for free tutoring for immigrants who want to learn English but don't have the resources.
That's especially important for female immigrants, who may come from cultures that are unwilling to educate girls/women, or have very little opportunity to meet people outside their homes. There's a program for it in my area, where female native speakers get together with female immigrants for combined language/cooking/Internet/sewing/painting/car repair, etc., courses. The local community college "donates" the facilities. It's a good deal for the college, because many of the course participants go on to take more formal language courses there.
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I'm sorry some of you can't access the article. I go right to it, but maybe my beautiful and intelligent daughter registered this computer to it, somehow.

The article is about a parent board that actually has control of a large amount of money both for low-income students and for non-English speakers. The African American parents, who used to control the low-income funds are extrememly angry because the Spanish speaking parents want to run the meetings in Spanish and sometimes "forget" to translate what they're saying.

It used to be the policy of the school board that all meetings be conducted in English, but some schools are !00% Spanish speaking so that's unlikely. Lawyers for the school board say that the policy is illegal.

The Mexican American woman was quoted saying she thought it was racist that the meetings be conducted in English.
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Actually, it's a big issue in Germany and France right now. Both have parallel societies in which people refuse to learn German or French, and appear to be complaining that mainstream society isn't making a big enough effort to integrate them.

I'm an immigrant myself, and just can't understand that attitude. If you want to live in another country, it's up to you to learn the language and culture.

Hmm germany what is the group there? i know the french and dutch both have a huge middle eastern population that is refusing to learn or try to fit.

That is my point, if you are immigrant then you need to at least make the effort, Or you will never become part of the socity that you moved into
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
I'm sorry some of you can't access the article. I go right to it, but maybe my beautiful and intelligent daughter registered this computer to it, somehow.

The article is about a parent board that actually has control of a large amount of money both for low-income students and for non-English speakers. The African American parents, who used to control the low-income funds are extrememly angry because the Spanish speaking parents want to run the meetings in Spanish and sometimes "forget" to translate what they're saying.

It used to be the policy of the school board that all meetings be conducted in English, but some schools are !00% Spanish speaking so that's unlikely. Lawyers for the school board say that the policy is illegal.

The Mexican American woman was quoted saying she thought it was racist that the meetings be conducted in English.
It's not racist, I don't think, but I do believe that parents should be able to access the meetings about their children's education. Trying to hold them only in Spanish if not 100% in attendance are fluent in Spanish violates it as much as holding them only in English if not 100% are fluent in English.

I think what I have a hard time with is that not everyone wants to make it easy for people to understand the world around them. I guess I just don't understand the 'sink or swim' ideology of people who think absolutely everything should be in their language and nobody else's.
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Hmm germany what is the group there? i know the french and dutch both have a huge middle eastern population that is refusing to learn or try to fit.

That is my point, if you are immigrant then you need to at least make the effort, Or you will never become part of the socity that you moved into
The biggest group of immigrants in Germany would be Turks, in many cases now in the third generation, though there are a number of other groups.

There has been a real lack of integration among so-called repatriated Russian-Germans, i.e., descendants of Germans who immigrated to Russia centuries ago who have "returned to the homeland". It's very often the young people who were brought here by their parents against their will who refuse to learn the language and culture, and keep to themselves.
post #17 of 17
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I need to apologize. I went back and re-read the article and I over-reacted. Both languages are translated via earphones for everyone to hear.

I think I have strong and very confused feelings about this because of where I live. I live in a part of Los Angeles that is mostly Mexican-American.

Many of the people here are third of even more generations, but still they insist on speaking Spanish at all the meetings. Sometimes I have to insist on a translation. No earphones! I feel extremely isolated.

This is government-subsidized low-income property so everyone who lives here is an American citizen. Some of the people are very old and probably brought here by their families when they were already old, so I can understand that, but most of the people do speak English. They just regard speaking Spanish as a way of showing solidarity and identity.

I wouldn't care except it is at my expense.
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