TheCatSite.com › Forums › General Forums › IMO: In My Opinion › No Whites Allowed
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

No Whites Allowed - Page 3

post #61 of 75
I was talking to a friend about this and this is what we said.

1. The sign itself was a poor choice for the salon to put up.

2. As someone who is white I'd much rather walk into a salon and have someone tell me: "Your hair type isn't something that I deal with on a day to day basis. I don't want to make you bald or destroy your hair, so you may want to go somewhere else." Rather than simply fake it.

3. Salons need to be more honest with their clients and their hair types. If a woman goes to a salon and has a very sudden realization that the stylist may not know how to handle her hair it is very acceptable for her to get up and walk out.

In a way I find the sign to be honest, but the wording to be rather horrible. So ladies lets just boil this down to the most simple layer. We want to look good so we are going to seek out the right person to help us with that.
post #62 of 75
People who actually cut hair have to go to school for it, no? Do they get a license? I don't think I could show up in a hair saloon tomorrow and demand a job cutting hair if I don't have a license. And if that is the case, why haven't they learned in school as to how deal with hair types from different races? Hair cutting, while a skill, is not rocket science. If you can cut hair from one race, you should be able to cut hair from another race, IMO.
post #63 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
People who actually cut hair have to go to school for it, no? Do they get a license? I don't think I could show up in a hair saloon tomorrow and demand a job cutting hair if I don't have a license. And if that is the case, why haven't they learned in school as to how deal with hair types from different races? Hair cutting, while a skill, is not rocket science. If you can cut hair from one race, you should be able to cut hair from another race, IMO.
It's a skill, but the different hair types takes a huge amount of understanding. Trust me on this. If you give a Black girl's hair the same exact treatment that you give White girls hair you are risking that it will fall out. I've seen it happen. It's not to say that one is better than another it's just simply different.
post #64 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
It's a skill, but the different hair types takes a huge amount of understanding. Trust me on this. If you give a Black girl's hair the same exact treatment that you give White girls hair you are risking that it will fall out. I've seen it happen. It's not to say that one is better than another it's just simply different.
Then maybe the schools the barbers go to should teach the students as to how cut all different hair types, so when the students get a job they don't turn people away because of their race.
I would think the schools were doing it already.
post #65 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
It's a skill, but the different hair types takes a huge amount of understanding. Trust me on this. If you give a Black girl's hair the same exact treatment that you give White girls hair you are risking that it will fall out. I've seen it happen. It's not to say that one is better than another it's just simply different.
I agree.

For example, my friends with naturally curly hair search high and low to find someone who can work with their hair without making it look like a puff ball. I now have to search high and low again for someone that can work with my extremely thick hair.

It's just like going to any type of school. People specialize in certain things, no one has a skill that covers everything in their area. Why? No one is perfect. The field you go into does make everyone assume you're great or have knowledge of everything in your field, but the truth is you're not. A hairstylist can excel in coloring hair, cutting certain types of hair, treating hair, etc. I like to compare hair stylist to doctors: you generally see a Primary or General doctor for your colds and such. However if you have a skin condition, you go see a Dermatologist. You're general doctor can treat your skin, but not as effectively as a dermatologist.
post #66 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
Then maybe the schools the barbers go to should teach the students as to how cut all different hair types, so when the students get a job they don't turn people away because of their race.
I would think the schools were doing it already.
I'm sure they do teach them everything. When I went to beauty school I learned it all - waxing, massage, facials, nails, piercing, you name it. When I work as a beautician I do nails and facials. Because that's what I like the most and what I'm best at. Specialising, again.

Doctors go to medical school and don't practice as experts in every single area of medicine. General practitioners take on all areas and refer the things they don't know enough about to specialists. Specialists specialise in one area only. Often they specialise within their area. But they still learned a bit about everything at medical school.

Engineers don't just do `engineering' - although it's probably a baseline degree in the first year. They are electrical, civil, mechanical, industrial, environment or electronic engineers.

Lawyers learn all about the law but they don't practice that way. They are either criminal, civil, contracts, industrial, environmental and so on. They specialise, too.

Teachers learn all about teaching but when you get to highschool you have a different teacher for every subject. Maths, Science, English etc.

If barbers out there only cut men's hair, why is that ok? Isn't it sexist? Surely they learned how to cut women's hair if they did the all-encompassing general course offered at hairdressing schools.
post #67 of 75
But the sign didn't say "Specializing in black people's hair" it said "No whites allowed"
post #68 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
Then maybe the schools the barbers go to should teach the students as to how cut all different hair types, so when the students get a job they don't turn people away because of their race.
I would think the schools were doing it already.
While I understand what you're saying, the salon in question is in Ireland. Most of the blacks there seem to be immigrants from Nigeria. Assuming that they went to hairdressing school in Nigeria, they may have had little or no experience with "white" or "Asian" hair.

I see the same thing in Germany, where blacks are a very, very small minority. I know several blacks who've said they just can't find hairdressers able or willing to cut their hair, so they have to go to "African specialists", who are few and far between.
post #69 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
But the sign didn't say "Specializing in black people's hair" it said "No whites allowed"
and those are 2 totally different things.
post #70 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
But the sign didn't say "Specializing in black people's hair" it said "No whites allowed"
That's exactly right. And I think almost every, single person in this thread has acknowledged that the sign as they put it up was racist, they worded it incorrectly, and there is no contention about that.
post #71 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by happy cat View Post
they don't call it the "Jones Family Re-union" or the "Smith Family Re-union" because it isn't a "family" re-union" at all.

it's a big weekend event for black people, not people named Black. So to infer that only blacks are welcome is exactly what it means.

I think it also insinuates that all black people are "family".

It's a yearly event in Cincinnati Ohio.

Ohhhh. I gotcha. That's just plain ignorant.
post #72 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcat View Post
While I understand what you're saying, the salon in question is in Ireland. Most of the blacks there seem to be immigrants from Nigeria. Assuming that they went to hairdressing school in Nigeria, they may have had little or no experience with "white" or "Asian" hair.
You just brought up an interesting point. The OP didn't indicate that the owner was well versed in English. Perhaps it was just a simply language barrier.

From my experience with ESL students, saying "No Whites Allowed" is easier to say or write than "Specializing in African hairstyles".

That is IF the owner was from another country.
post #73 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
I think it would have been OK if they'd put up a sign saying the "Specialize in African Hair". However to say "No Whites Allowed" is Racist.
I agree with you. IMO, they didn't think their sign through. They meant one thing but it was viewed as something else.
post #74 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jenniferd View Post
Then maybe the schools the barbers go to should teach the students as to how cut all different hair types, so when the students get a job they don't turn people away because of their race.
I would think the schools were doing it already.
Of course cosmetology students receive some training in cutting & styling different hair types. However, the reality is that in some areas, the population of people who have African-type hair is proportionately very low. In those communities, it is possible that a hair stylist could work for many years without having a client with such a hair type. While they may have gotten some brief training during their schooling, the principle of "use it or lose it" applies to any skill. I see nothing wrong with certain employees within a salon, or a salon itself, specializing in certain hair types.

This has nothing to do with not wanting to serve clientele of a given ethnicity (in most cases), it is simply about not wanting to provide poor service because you don't have the skills to do the job well. Denying this, in my opinion, is an example of sacrificing common sense on the altar of political correctness. The fact is that there are SOME physical characteristics that are specific to different races (hair texture being one), and if a professional is not equipped with the skills to deal with those differences than it is only right to be up front about it.

That being said, posting a sign that flat-out denies service to all people of a given race is wrong. I like the previous poster's example of salons that specialize referring clients back and forth - they are clearly committed to ensuring that EVERY client who walks through their doors gets the best possible service.
post #75 of 75
Thread Starter 
The point of my original post was not intended to spark off a debate on haircare; the point was that the sign was downright racist IMO and that there is no way a Catholic person would get away with putting a sign up in a delicatessen saying 'No Jewish' as they don't cater for their needs, nor would a Jewish person get away with 'No Blacks' etc etc etc.

For some reason racism against white people is tolerated and not considered racism. I don't agree with racism regardless of who is the perpetrator and who is the victim by the way.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: IMO: In My Opinion
TheCatSite.com › Forums › General Forums › IMO: In My Opinion › No Whites Allowed