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post #1 of 24
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...602000_pf.html


Well the Republicans voted with the Democrats and the Dems shelve the issue.


I don't want to start a Democratic bash but I would like some comments.
post #2 of 24
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...602000_pf.html


Well the Republicans voted with the Democrats and the Dems shelve the issue.


I don't want to start a Democratic bash but I would like some comments.
I often take a dim view of politics, and this is one of the reasons for it. It is pretty obvious that the impeachment proposal was grandstanding, simply putting up a front for us. They were trying to convince us that they are "on the job, getting things done", and when the republicans called their bluff, they balked.

It's all a dog and pony show, a game; one that they sometimes aren't very good at.
post #3 of 24
This was done because Dennis Kucinich was digging himself out of the "I saw a UFO" hole.

Impeachment proceedings aren't really going to help anyone, it's just a way to beat a lame duck administration into the ground.
post #4 of 24
Can they impeach the VP? I didn't think they could. At this point I really don't think it's worth it. We have to deal with those idiots for 1 last year (finally!!). If they were going to impeach anyone it should have been Bush should have been done a long time ago. Besides, they both are lame ducks anyway.
post #5 of 24
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Skippy got the point. Grandstanding, pure and simple. So phony
post #6 of 24
IMO, the Dems showed wisdom in choosing to redirect the focus on the spending bills - which, at this point of the administration, will have much more of an impact on all of America
Debates over Cheney would be nothing more than simple entertainment and we already have Jerry Springer & the Maury show for that
No, Congress needs to stay on track.....
post #7 of 24
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Are you kidding, they spent the better part of ALL day yesterday going on and on about this, then the Repubs call their bluff and they back down.
They could have actually done something constructive.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Are you kidding, they spent the better part of ALL day yesterday going on and on about this, then the Repubs call their bluff and they back down.
They could have actually done something constructive.
I'm actually quite proud of you not bringing up Kucinich's UFO issue.


I'm sorry, he lost me on that one.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
It's all a dog and pony show, a game; one that they sometimes aren't very good at.
Ditto......and I'm not even sure the veep can be impeached, as he isn't elected to office on his own merit.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
This was done because Dennis Kucinich was digging himself out of the "I saw a UFO" hole.

Impeachment proceedings aren't really going to help anyone, it's just a way to beat a lame duck administration into the ground.
Kucinich could not dig himself out of a hole , with a .. oh never mind,
kucinich is a loon. and not because he admits to seeing a ufo

As for the dems, this has been one of the worst congress in 18 years.
post #11 of 24
Cheney should be impeached. There have been a number of organizations trying to figure out how to bring him down for a long time now.

I heard a story on NPR this morning about the former Illinois Governor (Ryan) that went in for a 6 year prison term for racketeering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan

When I looked up the definition of racketeering, I couldn't help but think of how Cheney's former company, Haliburton, got millions of dollars because of a contrived war. And now he wants to make more money from Iran. Read the second paragraph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering

Yes, the dems are woosies in this matter. And they know that to chase a lame duck VP at this point in time can take away from other important matters (sort of like when the repubs went after Clinton in his second term).

I want the truth out, but not at the further suffering of our country.
post #12 of 24
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I was totally against them impeaching Clinton for the Monica thing and I said so at the time. It took up WAYYYYYYYYYY to much time when they should have been running the darn country. It was so lame.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I was totally against them impeaching Clinton for the Monica thing and I said so at the time. It took up WAYYYYYYYYYY to much time when they should have been running the darn country. It was so lame.
There are estimates that the proceedings leading up to his impeachment cost the country $82 million dollars. And think of all the problems that weren't addressed at the time that could have been resolved.

Grandstanding is not limited to any political party. The real issue, is whether grandstanding to kick someone out for racketeering and other crimes is any different than grandstanding to kick someone out for lieing about sexual misconduct. Both, I would hope, are against most of our values. But I would also hope that most would understand the differences in the implications of the crimes.
post #14 of 24
Sounds like a waste of taxpayers money to me!
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by adymarie View Post
Sounds like a waste of taxpayers money to me!
Cheney has wasted billions on his own companies. No-bid contracts, millions of dollars of cash disappearing into the desert, seriously... he has used the Iraq war as a cashcow for his old friends at Halliburton and its various puppets and "subsidiaries"-- which have been caught hiring each other to do nothing. They've gotten busted overcharging, doublecharging. Built a hospital and when it was done, it was so crappy nobody could use it, and just said "Eh, the contract said it had to be built, not that it had to be built well"

The difference is, 4,000 people wouldn't die impeaching him. So it's a "waste" I'd be willing to have.

He's a waste of his office, a waste of an American, a waste of a human being.

And Kucinich is my representative, and I'd proudly vote for him again. He was elected by people who do want him to do things like this. We know he is superliberal, and willing to do the things that need done regardless of whether the rest of his weak-willed party wants to. He's representing us--his actual constituents-- far better than most of our other elected officials.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Can they impeach the VP? I didn't think they could. At this point I really don't think it's worth it. We have to deal with those idiots for 1 last year (finally!!). If they were going to impeach anyone it should have been Bush should have been done a long time ago. Besides, they both are lame ducks anyway.
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Ditto......and I'm not even sure the veep can be impeached, as he isn't elected to office on his own merit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeach...to_impeachment
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The Constitution grants to the House the power to impeach "The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States." [
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U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
post #17 of 24
Yeah, he is technically elected.

You vote for Bush-Cheney as a team, so he's as elected as Bush ever was. Which isn't saying much.

I think the whole Clinton thing gave everyone a bad taste for impeachment... we are their boss, why shouldn't they get fired for not doing their job (which is to act in the best interest of the country)
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
So, when the Republicans voted with them, why didn't they go for it?
It was stupid, phony grandstanding is why. That's all I am saying.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, when the Republicans voted with them, why didn't they go for it?
It was stupid, phony grandstanding is why. That's all I am saying.
Are you reading the same article as me?
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During the subsequent vote, Republicans were far along toward helping kill the resolution when they began switching their "yes" votes to "no's," clearly hoping for a public debate that would have showcased the Democrats' most vocal lefties.
Sounds like the republicans' votes were showboating to me.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Are you reading the same article as me?

Sounds like the republicans' votes were showboating to me.
That's the truth
post #21 of 24
My DH follows these matters very closely. We're not done with this yet. Keep watching the news.
post #22 of 24
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Yep, now I'm SURE you read a different article than the one I linked.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
That's the truth
I'm glad others read it the same way I did.


By the way ckblv, I once answered you in a post that the Iraq war was about oil when you thought not. Well, I apologize. Now I realize that it was about war profiteering and maybe oil as a bonus.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yep, now I'm SURE you read a different article than the one I linked.
Lol. That quote is from your link. Or you're being sarcastic, I can't tell, you have a very ambiguous use of smilies.
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