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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
No, because it promotes segregation and separatism. There is enough racial problems in this world, particularly in the US that schools based on skin colour and race will only add to the problems.

How can kids learn to get along when they aren't allowed to mix and socialize with people of other skin colours, races, religions etc?
VERY well said Linda! I am against race specific schools.

How would everyone feel if we had a white's only school and didn't allow any black kids in it? (what about asian only? middle eastern only? hispanic only? It's rediculious. )There shouldn't be exceptions. All it does is point out everyones differences in a negative way promote segregation and speratism issues- as if we don't have enough if this world! I am very against it.

I am also against scholarships and programs that give money/scholarships to people based on the color of their skin....
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I think that is the key word. When our daughter was in school, the local children attend the local school whether they are black, white, green, blue or whatever. If they live in the neighbourhood they attend that school. When we had a problem with one teacher in one of the schools she attended, we moved so she would be able to go to a different school.

I don't see any difference in this suggested school than I do for the Native Indian school or a Jewish school or a Catholic school. Surely Catholics, Jews and Natives aren't showing a prejudice by having schools that teach their core values. It has nothing to do with prejudice IMO. It's simply keeping their heritage, traditions, etc. alive in their children and their community.

If they were teaching the exact same cirriculum as the other public schools, then yes - that to me would be prejudice, but they're not.

We need to recognize our sameness as human beings and celebrate our differences and be more understanding and less filled with hate and disdain. If they want their own school, let them have it - who are they hurting?

The article said that there were already First Nation schools (that's a school for Native Americans) and Yosemite's post seems to be saying that other exclusive schools already exist. So why not a blacks-only school?

Bussing to achieve ethnic or racial equality is a dead issue in California. They ended it by allowing parents to enroll their children in any school they wished, but providing their own transportation.

We also have a provision of Charter schools, but I don't understand how they are formed. I think it is some sort of provision like Charter Schools that has allowed the all-black boys school in Chicago.
post #33 of 46
NO they shouldn't!! I have to eventually attend a college in my area that once was a black only school. There are hardly any other races that attend the college. That is the only school near me that offers the degree I want. My boyfriend and my friend go to that college. Both of them said that the teachers give other races a very hard time and that it is more difficult for another race to enter a program. I think in this time and age very school should be equal.
post #34 of 46
Why in the world would our society ever want to revert back to segregation? While many argue that this type of school would not be considered segregation, I don't agree. If the schools will be of one race only, not allowing other races into that system, isn't that segregation? Unless the meaning of the word segregation has been changed and we weren't informed, what they plan on doing is segregating, plain and simple, and just plain WRONG!
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
But if they want their own school, if they won't let anyone else in, then they're defeating exactly what you want in a school. A school needs to be open to anyone regardless of skin color, race, ethnic or cultural background. Otherwise the ones that they're hurting are themselves.
So are you saying that even though I am not Jewish, if I want (for whatever inane reason) my child to go to a Jewish school, they should be allowed to go? Does the fact that Jewish schools take Jewish students mean that they are hurting themselves? I don't believe that and I don't see this as being any different. These black people want to teach their own children in their own way and I don't have a problem with that at all if these children are being prepared in that school for university or further education. To me this is no different than someone who prefers to home-school instead of putting their child into the public education system. It's all about choices.
post #36 of 46
If it only goes up to the 8th grade, what are these students-- who have not been taught the standard curriculum-- going to do when they get to high school? College?
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
If it only goes up to the 8th grade, what are these students-- who have not been taught the standard curriculum-- going to do when they get to high school? College?
I would think it would be the same as the other ethnic schools - they would be taught the core basics for entry into high school / university but there would be more information also taught on their ethnicity and history which I honestly don't see as a problem.
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
So are you saying that even though I am not Jewish, if I want (for whatever inane reason) my child to go to a Jewish school, they should be allowed to go? .
No, you're completely misunderstanding me. To use your example, if you wanted your child to go to a Jewish school and they would turn him away and not allow it because he is not Jewish.
post #39 of 46
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
No, you're completely misunderstanding me. To use your example, if you wanted your child to go to a Jewish school and they would turn him away and not allow it because he is not Jewish.
They should have the right to say no to me in that case unless I was willing to have my child convert to Judaism. The same as the Catholic schools here allow children in if at least one of the parents are Catholic. If one parent is not Catholic the child doesn't get admitted - I don't have a problem with that.
post #40 of 46
So then if an all-black school could turn away a white student who was otherwise qualified, except he wasn't black, you wouldn't have a problem with that? That's what you seem to have said where I first quoted you, except the example you followed up with is a religious one, which is different; the topic is about race, not about faith. I hope I'm just misunderstanding. I can't see anybody saying they wouldn't have a problem denying access because of race these days.
post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
So then if an all-black school could turn away a white student who was otherwise qualified, except he wasn't black, you wouldn't have a problem with that? That's what you seem to have said where I first quoted you, except the example you followed up with is a religious one, which is different; the topic is about race, not about faith. I hope I'm just misunderstanding. I can't see anybody saying they wouldn't have a problem denying access because of race these days.
You are right of course. Race and religion are two totally separate issues and I blended them into one - I apologize.

I would need to know more about that particular school before commenting and I should have done so before commenting. If the black school allowed whites who were genuinely and seriously interested in obtaining the education they are providing then, no, I don't have a problem with it. If, on the other hand they did not allow that, then there is a problem, just as I would have a problem with a white school not allowing blacks.

I was comparing apples and oranges and it can't be done.
post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I was comparing apples and oranges ....
....and thus confused me, and I'm easily confused.
post #43 of 46
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
I can't help but hear what a lot of you are saying as "if I don't have the choice of an all-white school, than no other group should have the choice of an all-______ school.
No, not saying if.....then. Saying NO group should exclude anyone outside the group solely on the basis of something they were born to: race, gender, having six toes, whatever. Anyone should be eligible for inclusion in the group if they otherwise meet the entrance requirements that everyone else also are required to meet.
post #44 of 46
There are already schools like that. Try going to school in an unnamed city in GA. (Just in case anyone lives there) My daughter had a teacher that refused to teach anything but black history, use examples in some subjects like "if you have 5 black people and 5 white people on a bus, who are going to get all the seats? Ridiculous stuff like that. She threw a white student out of a second story window because she did not like the way the girl was looking at a black student. Who, btw, she was dating and were arguing with because he went out with another girl. The teacher was not even reprimanded! She sais she was afraid this girl was going to start a "racial incident" in her classroom.
post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2 View Post
There are already schools like that. Try going to school in an unnamed city in GA. (Just in case anyone lives there) My daughter had a teacher that refused to teach anything but black history, use examples in some subjects like "if you have 5 black people and 5 white people on a bus, who are going to get all the seats? Ridiculous stuff like that. She threw a white student out of a second story window because she did not like the way the girl was looking at a black student. Who, btw, she was dating and were arguing with because he went out with another girl. The teacher was not even reprimanded! She sais she was afraid this girl was going to start a "racial incident" in her classroom.
Wow. That is just crazy.
post #46 of 46
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Originally Posted by AlleyGirl View Post
Only if they are going to also allow "white only schools", "asian only", etc. etc.

Anyone wanting to start a white only school for the same reasons would be lynched for being racist. Why should it be ok for anyone else?
I couldn't say this any better, so I'll just say
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