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post #1 of 28
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You see more and more stories like this, and its seem almost every week, that they are saying we found another planet, They are now starting to think that stars with planets are the norm. it makes you wonder really if that is not something more out there...

if so i want my x-wing.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308740,00.html
post #2 of 28
You never can tell. The Milky Way is part of a cluster of galaxies, and we're not even the largest galaxy of the cluster. The best estimate anyone has is, there are as many as 100 billion galaxies observable from earth. If 1/100th of those galaxies has an earth like planet, that is a potential 1 billion earths.

But honestly, I don't think that we'll ever develop the technology it would take to travel from one galaxy to the next. The distances are just too mind numbing far, plus in the voids between the galaxies, solar panels would be useless, so you'd have to have several billion years worth of batteries. If there is life in other galaxies, we will probably never know

As for life anywhere else in this galaxy; your guess is as good as mine
post #3 of 28
I sure hope we aren't alone in this galaxy. I'd hate to think we were unique.
post #4 of 28
Eric Idle keeps it simple

The Galaxy Song
post #5 of 28
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Eric Idle keeps it simple

The Galaxy Song
I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I even have it as my phone ringer!!!!!


This is the version I like better though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcTHBOjnUss
post #6 of 28
Don't be silly...of course we are not alone! Don't you read the Enquirer?

Honestly...I believe that there are endless possibilities out in the vastness of space.
post #7 of 28
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lol i forgot about that song hahha, love it.
well i kinda see the distance is space issue, just like they said man cant go faster then 25 mph, then it was 60, etc, then cant fly faster then sound. given time i am sure we could find a to reach it
post #8 of 28
BUMMER, I thought you were going to say there is a new Star Trek movie coming out.


(I'm a trekkie)
post #9 of 28
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BUMMER, I thought you were going to say there is a new Star Trek movie coming out.


(I'm a trekkie)
There IS a new Star Trek movie coming out. It's in pre-production.

Back on track, are we alone? No way. There are far too many starts out there to be possible.
post #10 of 28
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BUMMER, I thought you were going to say there is a new Star Trek movie coming out.


(I'm a trekkie)
Actually, there is Think "Batman begins". It is going to be about the launching of the newly constructed NCC 1701, with the brash young J.T. Kirk as it's captain, and his young (70 ish) Vulcan first officer.
post #11 of 28
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lol i forgot about that song hahha, love it.
well i kinda see the distance is space issue, just like they said man cant go faster then 25 mph, then it was 60, etc, then cant fly faster then sound. given time i am sure we could find a to reach it
Honestly, I think we may eventually obtain the speed necessary. But think of all the consumables you would have to have, oxygen, water, food, battery power, and of stuff like waste disposal, equipment maintenance for normal wear, then repairs for emergencies from damage or malfunction. And you also have to carry enough stuff for a round trip, because it's very possible that you won't find anything to replenish your stocks once you get there.

It would take a spacecraft the size of the USS Yorktown just to support 3 people on such a trip.

Ah, but the stories those 3 people could tell their grandchildren
post #12 of 28
Has no one been watching anything on the proposed Mars missions? They have figured out ways to go pretty darn fast just by using the planet's gravity and have been using this for years already to get probes to other planets. The shortest proposed mission would have been in as little as 3-6 months to get there, but very risky and could have left them stranded if they were to miss a very narrow window.
Other developing technologies are nuclear (which will probably be chosen as there's been 30-40+ years on this design already) and plasma beam.
post #13 of 28
There is no way we are alone in the universe, other life probably doesn't look like us, but I firmly believe that it is out there, it would be great if we could figure out how to get there, but it won't happen in my lifetime
post #14 of 28
With all the conflict between nations on our own planet, do we really want to add potential trouble with other planets to the mix?
post #15 of 28
That sort of reminds me of the movie "The day the Earth stood still".

If it's true that alien races have visited this planet, then they have probably learned enough about humans to realize that they can never, ever allow us to leave the surface of this planet in any kind of numbers. There are just too many undesirable traits that we would take with us.
post #16 of 28
I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes. George Bush has put us in hock for the next two generations with his Don Quixote wars in the Middle East. We can't even get out of low earth orbit anymore, and have trouble getting even that far and coming back in one peace. Let's face it, the space program peaked in the sixties and seventies and has been dying ever since. We're planet-bound for the forseeable future. The pressing needs of an overpopulated planet faced with accelerated climate change, baby boomers on Social Security and Medicare, not to mention threats of wars, wars, and more wars, aren't going to permit the kind of spending needed to get off the planet. Sorry to be such a sour puss, but that's the pragmatic viewpoint.
post #17 of 28
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With all the conflict between nations on our own planet, do we really want to add potential trouble with other planets to the mix?
lol i just listend to a radio show where the the topic was the shooting war between the world and visiting UFO. they guy wrote a whole book on it. i wish i could remember the name,
post #18 of 28
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Has no one been watching anything on the proposed Mars missions? They have figured out ways to go pretty darn fast just by using the planet's gravity and have been using this for years already to get probes to other planets. The shortest proposed mission would have been in as little as 3-6 months to get there, but very risky and could have left them stranded if they were to miss a very narrow window.
Other developing technologies are nuclear (which will probably be chosen as there's been 30-40+ years on this design already) and plasma beam.
Oooooo I saw that documentary. Those guys are truely crazy (but in a cool, good way!).

Have you (anyone) seen the documentary about encountering life forms on other planets? I just remember that scientists were saying that the intelligent life would look like an floating octopus. It was something to do with their genetic makeup. Such as if the levels of the various components were different on earth we would all be octopii rather than humans.
post #19 of 28
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With all the conflict between nations on our own planet, do we really want to add potential trouble with other planets to the mix?

I think there is a good chance it would bring us all together if the aliens were the bad guys of course.
post #20 of 28
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Let's face it, the space program peaked in the sixties and seventies and has been dying ever since. We're planet-bound for the forseeable future.
Just how well read and up to date are you on scientific discoveries and advances lately? (your posts in other threads makes me think this is not even remotely an area of interest for you and several others on here)
The US, Europe, and Russia are back in the race so to speak. If the US doesn't make it, one of them will. With luck it will happen within my lifetime and within many others on here lifetimes.
And yes, the shuttle design is overused. Many admit to this. However it came down earlier today with no lives lost. But before you criticize accidents and mistakes, are you an engineer? Do you know how hard it is to plan everything and how much force is acting upon it at launch?

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Oooooo I saw that documentary. Those guys are truely crazy (but in a cool, good way!).

Have you (anyone) seen the documentary about encountering life forms on other planets? I just remember that scientists were saying that the intelligent life would look like an floating octopus. It was something to do with their genetic makeup. Such as if the levels of the various components were different on earth we would all be octopii rather than humans.
There's a fine line between genius and being crazy. And all the people dreaming up possible lifeforms have some imaginations! Another thing to think about, had the Earth not been smacked with a comet - what would life be like now? As for the make up - levels of gases and gravity on other planets and moons too.

BTW - do you have the Discovery Science channel? Space stuff is on Tuesdays - their series Mars Rising, and usually National Geographic channel has interesting stuff on in their Naked Science shows. Nova is also on Tuesdays, missed that yesterday so I'm not sure if they're still showing NovaScienceNow with physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson hosting (he's rather funny, I recommend watching some clips of his speeches on youtube ).
post #21 of 28
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I dont think the american goverment or the american people really want to spend the money need on space. Maybe when the chinese get to the moon, which will happen not to far away it will kick the american goverment in the butt again.

lol i really want to get out there, When i was a kid, i wanted to be the first man on mars.
post #22 of 28
^ Most don't want to spend money on wars and supporting other countries... but has that stopped the government?
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Just how well read and up to date are you on scientific discoveries and advances lately? (your posts in other threads makes me think this is not even remotely an area of interest for you and several others on here)
The US, Europe, and Russia are back in the race so to speak. If the US doesn't make it, one of them will. With luck it will happen within my lifetime and within many others on here lifetimes.
And yes, the shuttle design is overused. Many admit to this. However it came down earlier today with no lives lost. But before you criticize accidents and mistakes, are you an engineer? Do you know how hard it is to plan everything and how much force is acting upon it at launch? .
How old are you, anyway? My major in college was engineering. My career was in the air transportation industry. I designed my own model rockets back when we did it from scratch (When Estes was still in Estes Park.) when I was still in grade school. I designed an ion rocket motor in eighth grade. I watched the moon landing live on TV when I was in college.

I think you'd best give others the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're talking about (for the most part) before you get too critical. My skeptical posts about the space program arise from a deep disappointment that it didn't continue on after the Apollo missions. The general public got bored.....I didn't. NASA got hidebound.....I didn't. The government wasted taxpayers money....I didn't.

If we do get anywhere in space beyond where we are now, I'm betting it'll be private industry that gets us there, not the US (or Russian, or French, or Chinese) governments.
post #24 of 28
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Don't be silly...of course we are not alone! Don't you read the Enquirer?

That is too funny. I do believe there is a lot more out there than we can even imagine. We would be ignorant to believe we were the only ones!
post #25 of 28
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My major in college was engineering. My career was in the air transportation industry.
I have to apologize then, I'm very sorry for assuming what I did. Unfortunately, it was made because only handful of people on here seem even remotely interested in anything science related. These sort of threads get one or two pages and then sink.
And I knew I shouldn't have made the comment about a degree in engineering, it would just have to figure that you did.

You may be right about private industry, but only if there were group really pushing for it.
As for one particular government... wouldn't it be great if they would pool resources, scientist, and technology and just build this together?
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
My major in college was engineering. My career was in the air transportation industry. I designed my own model rockets back when we did it from scratch (When Estes was still in Estes Park.) when I was still in grade school. I designed an ion rocket motor in eighth grade. I watched the moon landing live on TV when I was in college.

I think you'd best give others the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're talking about (for the most part) before you get too critical. My skeptical posts about the space program arise from a deep disappointment that it didn't continue on after the Apollo missions. The general public got bored.....I didn't. NASA got hidebound.....I didn't. The government wasted taxpayers money....I didn't.

If we do get anywhere in space beyond where we are now, I'm betting it'll be private industry that gets us there, not the US (or Russian, or French, or Chinese) governments.
Lol My degree was in aviation and business, at one point in time i had ATP rating, i did the whole rocket thing also( my mother almost killed me when one went though the window in the house )

but anyway that was my point, the american public got bored with space, Nasa stuck its head in the sand, The idea of the chinese getting back to the moon before We can does not seem to upset people. right now, the date is what 2015 for the chinese man on the moon mission from what i was reading.

Private industry is really the only hope, or them finding something they can make money for someone.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
...assuming what I did. ...?
No prob. I was kinda grouchy yesterday anyway; I'm sure my posts were influenced by my mood.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
BTW - do you have the Discovery Science channel? Space stuff is on Tuesdays - their series Mars Rising, and usually National Geographic channel has interesting stuff on in their Naked Science shows. Nova is also on Tuesdays, missed that yesterday so I'm not sure if they're still showing NovaScienceNow with physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson hosting (he's rather funny, I recommend watching some clips of his speeches on youtube ).
Oh yea We have Discovery, Discovery Kids, National Geographic, Discovery Times, History, History International, The Science Channel (which is where most of the space stuff is on).

Plus we just discovered tonight that we get all those channels OnDemand for certain series. B got a little too excited.
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