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There's no excuse for this

post #1 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:06am
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http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/s...1c1874970.html

Well, somebody baked another baby. I cannot for the life of me understand how somebody can forget their child is in the car! I was listening to the radio one day and this issue was being discussed. The guest on the show actually suggested that you should put something "important" in the back seat with the baby, like a purse or a cell phone etc. I was thinking, "isn't the child important enough?!".
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post #2 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:19am
How Sad Hopefully the poor baby didn't have to suffer long Rest in Peace Beautiful Baby...
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post #3 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:26am
The fact is that new mothers are often so stressed, fatigued and generally frazzeled that this isn't that incomprehensible really. It's a shame that it happens but it does and more often that not it is a huge mistake that the mother has to live with for the remainder of her life.
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post #4 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:46am
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I hope nobody says that this woman shouldn't be punished because she has "suffered enough". No, she hasn't. At least this woman has a life; that is more than can be said for her child.
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post #5 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:51am
What a shame. I just can not imagine how you could forget you have your child and that you didn't drop your child at the baby sitters..
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post #6 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:52am
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I hope nobody says that this woman shouldn't be punished because she has "suffered enough". No, she hasn't. At least this woman has a life; that is more than can be said for her child.
A life that she will live most likely riddled with guilt over what happened.
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post #7 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:55am
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A life that she will live most likely riddled with guilt over what happened.
She should be riddled with guilt...while sitting in prison.
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post #8 of 91
10/31/07 at 6:59am
This type of thing sadly happens quite frequently. I personally feel that it is not my place to judge unless I've been in a similar situation. Not being a mother myself I don't feel I have the experience to place blame.
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post #9 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:09am
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This type of thing sadly happens quite frequently. I personally feel that it is not my place to judge unless I've been in a similar situation. Not being a mother myself I don't feel I have the experience to place blame.
So it happens frequently; the point is? With this kind of logic I couldn't "judge" or "blame" a murderer because I've never been a murderer. I couldn't judge or blame a burglar because I've never been a burglar. We don't have to be in a similar situation to judge that a person has done something wrong.
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post #10 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:09am
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This type of thing sadly happens quite frequently. I personally feel that it is not my place to judge unless I've been in a similar situation.
I couldn't agree more. Everyone makes mistakes, and before people start jumping on me, yes it's a really bad one, but after reading the article of how she had a routine with the baby i can see how it's possible?

I've heard of a new mother out shopping who left the baby and the pram outside while she went inside. It wasn't until she got home before she suddenly remembered.
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post #11 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:13am
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So it happens frequently; the point is? With this kind of logic I couldn't "judge" or "blame" a murderer because I've never been a murderer. I couldn't judge or blame a burglar because I've never been a burglar. We don't have to be in a similar situation to judge that a person has done something wrong.
With this I'm going to agree to disagree. Going back and forth isn't going to change either of our minds. It also won't change how the legal system operates. I'm out.
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post #12 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:16am
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With this I'm going to agree to disagree. Going back and forth isn't going to change either of our minds. It also won't change how the legal system operates. I'm out.
Works for me! I'm happy to agree to disagree.
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post #13 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:32am
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I couldn't agree more. Everyone makes mistakes, and before people start jumping on me, yes it's a really bad one, but after reading the article of how she had a routine with the baby i can see how it's possible?

I've heard of a new mother out shopping who left the baby and the pram outside while she went inside. It wasn't until she got home before she suddenly remembered.
I also agree. As horrific as it is, when one has a new baby, our hormones are all out of whack, our memory is affected (or at least mine was), the stress levels are unreal so I can see this as being a tragic accident. I know I personally went through some pretty tense moments for a few months after I gave birth.

Just from my own personal experience I would hesitate to be judge and jury of this woman. There but for the grace of God go I resounds in my head.
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post #14 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:36am
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I also agree. As horrific as it is, when one has a new baby, our hormones are all out of whack, our memory is affected (or at least mine was), the stress levels are unreal so I can see this as being a tragic accident. I know I personally went through some pretty tense moments for a few months after I gave birth.

Just from my own personal experience I would hesitate to be judge and jury of this woman. There but for the grace of God go I resounds in my head.
That's all well and good but when a person's negligence (whatever the excuse) kills somebody they still deserve to be punished. I'm not saying they should lock her up and throw away the key but she should do time.
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post #15 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:42am
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That's all well and good but when a person's negligence (whatever the excuse) kills somebody they still deserve to be punished.
Your saying it as if she's done it on purpose?
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I'm not saying they should lock her up and throw away the key but she should do time.
And that would achieve?. Don't get me wrong i'm all for handing out punishment, but i think in this case there needs to be a little bit more compassion here.
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post #16 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:46am
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Your saying it as if she's done it on purpose?

And that would achieve?. Don't get me wrong i'm all for handing out punishment, but i think in this case there needs to be a little bit more compassion here.
I never said she did it on purpose. Why would you conclude that? I am compassionate; I am sorry that she has lost her child. It's very sad but that doesn't change the fact that she killed him, whether it was intentional or not. The child is dead. When you kill somebody you should be punished for it.
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post #17 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:49am
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When the Canine Officer left his dog in the car and it baked to death you should have heard the outrage! People called in to radio talk shows and said how this cop should be severely punished. But when it comes to baking babies, people just want to be "compassionate". I don't understand it. <shaking head>
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post #18 of 91
10/31/07 at 7:55am
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I never said she did it on purpose. Why would you conclude that? .
I never said you said that. I said your saying it " as if " she did it on purpose by the way you worded it. But you've just said here
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but that doesn't change the fact that she killed him, whether it was intentional or not
I think we all need to hear the full story before we start playing judge and jury like Linda said, not to mention executioner!
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post #19 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:03am
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I never said you said that. I said your saying it " as if " she did it on purpose by the way you worded it. But you've just said here
You are misinterpreting what I said.

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I think we all need to hear the full story before we start playing judge and jury like Linda said, not to mention executioner!
Don't recall saying anything about execution either.

Well I have a lot of housework to get done so see y'all later!
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post #20 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:05am
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The fact is that new mothers are often so stressed, fatigued and generally frazzeled that this isn't that incomprehensible really. It's a shame that it happens but it does and more often that not it is a huge mistake that the mother has to live with for the remainder of her life.
I'm not trying to be mean, but I think the above is SUCH a cop-out MOST OF THE TIME.

I was a new mom once, there is no way I could have forgotten my child.

If a child, a little baby puts THAT much stress on mommy, perhaps mommy should rethink her decision to bear children.
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post #21 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:11am
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You are misinterpreting what I said.
No i don't think i did?.
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Don't recall saying anything about execution either.
It's a term used when someones ready to punish someone before knowing the full trial
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post #22 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:16am
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I also agree. As horrific as it is, when one has a new baby, our hormones are all out of whack, our memory is affected (or at least mine was), the stress levels are unreal so I can see this as being a tragic accident. I know I personally went through some pretty tense moments for a few months after I gave birth.

Just from my own personal experience I would hesitate to be judge and jury of this woman. There but for the grace of God go I resounds in my head.

When does a baby stop being a NEW baby, this dead child was a 17 month old toddler. Just a tad bit past being a "new baby"
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post #23 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:19am
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If a child, a little baby puts THAT must stress on mommy, perhaps mommy should rethink her decision to bear children.
Playing devils advocate here, but how can anyone know how they'd be if they have children?.

I chose not to have any because i don't have the patience, now my cats i have all the patience in the world for. But i've lost count at the number of times people have said i would be a great mother, because with other peoples children i'm fine because i can hand them back at the end of the day, but i have friends who have them and they've held their hands up and been honest by saying they never realised how hard it would be until they had them
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post #24 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:20am
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I'm not trying to be mean, but I think the above is SUCH a cop-out MOST OF THE TIME.

I was a new mom once, there is no way I could have forgotten my child.

If a child, a little baby puts THAT must stress on mommy, perhaps mommy should rethink her decision to bear children.
As I said before I'm not a mother yet but I can't possibly imagine forgetting my own child... yet it DOES happen and more often than not it is NOT intentional. I'm not saying that means she should get "off the hook". I'm just saying that I can see the possibility.


How is an expectant mother to know that a child will put that much stress on her until after the birth? Besides, it's not always a choice people make to become pregnant. Yes, having the child is (in most cases) a matter of choice but still... how is a mother, particularly a first time mother, to know in advance what kind of stress a child will be to her. Then there's the unknown factors like the possibility of the child having a disability, colic, or any other number of issues that could be additional stresses.
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post #25 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:23am
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Your saying it as if she's done it on purpose?

And that would achieve?. Don't get me wrong i'm all for handing out punishment, but i think in this case there needs to be a little bit more compassion here.

I don't think any us know whether she did it on purpose from a brief newspaper article. Mothers and others kill their kids ON PURPOSE on a regular basis. We hear about it ALL the time.
More often than not, they get a slap on the wrist and go on their merry way.

So, should all kids being killed in hot cars, roasting to death be an offense that should not be punished because it is a, "tragic accident"?
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post #26 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:28am
I thought execution meant being put to death, I don't think Cat said that.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. PERIOD

Whatever those actions are.
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post #27 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:37am
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I don't think any us know whether she did it on purpose from a brief newspaper article.
Exactly!
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So, should all kids being killed in hot cars, roasting to death be an offense that should not be punished because it is a, "tragic accident"?
No of course not. But like we both agreed on, let's hear the full story first.
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I thought execution meant being put to death, I don't think Cat said that.
That phrase "Playing judge, jury and executioner" is a figure of speech whether they be banged up in a cell or given the death penalty. Well over here it is anyway.

Were not judges, nor are we a jury, were just going off what the good old press are wanting us to read
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post #28 of 91
10/31/07 at 8:40am
My feeling is, I am not giving the woman a free ticket because she killed her child. Not even a newborn, a 17 month old TODDLER.

The child is in Heaven. May the Lord have mercy on the Mother.
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post #29 of 91
10/31/07 at 9:04am
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How is an expectant mother to know that a child will put that much stress on her until after the birth? Besides, it's not always a choice people make to become pregnant. Yes, having the child is (in most cases) a matter of choice but still... how is a mother, particularly a first time mother, to know in advance what kind of stress a child will be to her. Then there's the unknown factors like the possibility of the child having a disability, colic, or any other number of issues that could be additional stresses.
Too many people nowadays don't realize how dangerous childbirth still is and don't realize how many women have serious mental issues after childbirth. Before anyone judges they should walk in the other person's shoes.

You are right - NONE of us know how we will react or how we will handle any situation if we have not been there and done it. It's very easy to sit back and say "I wouldn't have done that", or "I would have done this", especially if you haven't ever done it. I don't feel I can be that self-righteous but that's just me.
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post #30 of 91
10/31/07 at 9:06am
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No i don't think i did?.
So let me get this straight. I told you that you misinterpreted what I said but you still want to argue as though you know what I meant and I don't. OK.
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