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Ugh! New Cat has Ringworm

post #1 of 32
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I recently purchased a male Himalayan for breeding purposes. Upon getting him I discovered he has Ringworm which I am in the process of treating. Does anyone know if after giving the oral medication for ringworm the tom can no longer breed? I am trying to get that info but all they say is that it could cause birth defects does anyone know if this is permanent or only while taking the drugs? He is a wonderful guy and so lovable well worth the money to get him fixed up but I think if he can't breed anymore the guy who sold him to me should step up to the plate and reimburse me!
post #2 of 32
Hmmmm - never heard of ringworm meds causing breeding problems myself...however, I don't allow my cats to mate until at least 4 weeks after any sort of meds, with a few exceptions like Baytril
post #3 of 32
I am like Abymummy. I would wait about 3-4 weeks after he is off of all meds before using him for breeding. And I would make sure the ringworm was completely gone. Luckily (knock on wood) I have never had to deal with ringworm, but with that also, I would wait a few weeks after you think it is gone before letting him mix with your other cats. Why take a chance. I would also contact the breeder you bought him from and make him aware of the fact the cat you got from him came to you with ringowrm.

post #4 of 32
What kind of guarentee was written in the contract? The breeder should have had something about the cat being healthy and free of any contagious disease. Did you get the cat checked by your vet within 2-3 days of getting him? If so, can the vet verify the date of ringworm?

I'd contact this breeder anyway and tell her the cat has ringworm and you want your money back - or return the cat to them.

Any cat I bought from a breeder was healthy when it came in my house. I have no idea if ringworm would affect future breeding.
post #5 of 32
Thread Starter 
I am in negotiations with the breeder right now about where we go from here. At first he denied he could even have it, but after giving him my vets name (I took him to the next day after getting the cat) he was a little more receptive. When I got Vlad he was heavily matted and when I started to get the mats out that is when I discovered the ringworm. I know I shouldn't have taken him after seeing how badly matted he was but I have a soft spot for the underdog or cat and realized that he was put in a room only to service this guys females, I believe all animals should be pets so took him to give him a better home. Hopefully the medication works well and he can be a pet again soon I have to keep him separate for a while longer. Poor guy he is so lonely.
post #6 of 32
OMG, please give your baby a hug from me right now! I hate to see a lonely furbaby.
post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hug's are a little hard right now, I have to handle him with gloves. I broke out as well and have over 30 spots on myself. I was brushing him and trying to remove the scaley stuff not realizing what it was. I took the oral medication as well as the cream and am on the mend, but I feel really sorry for him. He must live in a room by himself for probably a month. He cries and cried for attention...it is heart breaking but what else can I do.
post #8 of 32
Hmmm... Could you go buy some paper scrubs and put them on while you handle him? That way he could have the attention and you wouldn't be reinfected with the ringworm.
post #9 of 32
Thread Starter 
That's a thought. I usually go in and give him some loving just before I change for bed, but I use rubber gloves and shower and change (always washing my clothes) Poor guy. And they tell me it could be a month before he can come out. It breaks my heart.
post #10 of 32
you could buy a large box of the disposible plastic gloves (surgical gloves). I remember getting them when pregnant to clean the litter pan. Worked well
post #11 of 32
Thread Starter 
Guess what. The second cat has broken out with ringworm. Here we go again. She only has 2 spots on the back of her ear. I was shampooing my other cats in Lyme sulphur dips but was afraid to get it too close to there eyes so I guess I wasn't getting their head properly. I'm running out of places to quarantine these cats and am sure tired of bleaching everything. UGH!
post #12 of 32
Unless you have sterilized everything, most likely all of your cats will get it. Once ringworm is in the house it's difficult to get rid of. Bleach everything you can reach. Scrub the carpet with a steam carpet scrubber with very hot water with the cleaning solution for the steamer. Let dry and scrub again. Depending of the color carpet you can put a weak bleach solution in the cleaner. If the isolation room was a bedroom, strip the bed, washing all the linens. Steam the mattress tops and sides and box springs, remembering the cat was probably underneath the beds, dressers etc. Clean the baseboard with a solution of bleach water and the walls up about 12 inches above the floor. Wipe down the furniture.

After vacuuming make sure you also wipe down the vacuum cleaner with bleach before you take it to other parts of your house. Discard the vacuum bag right away outside in a sealed trash bag. Bleach the bottom of the steam cleaner as well when you are done. Make sure you clean your feet – shoes – socks – slippers – whatever you were wearing. When you are done put the clothes you were wearing in the wash.

All cat items should be bleached thoroughly in hot water. This includes feeding bowls (use metal if you can); litter pans and cat beds. Dispose of any cat toys that cannot be bleached.
post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 
I have been bleaching everything in sight. I was also told that I will need to continue until the 14 day gestation period is over. So that means another 10 days since the last cat broke out. I have one cat in a bathroom that we aren't using and the other one in a 2nd bedroom. Hopefully the others don't get it because I am running out of rooms to quarantine them in. What a nightmare this has been.
post #14 of 32
well, my perisan cat i just bought has ringworm too, and he is so nasty looking, no hair on his ears, he's got a huge scabby spot on his tail, and is constantly itching. he needs to go on oral meds for the next 6 weeks, but i live in a condo, and there really isnt many places to quarentine him! i guess in the bedroom, since he doenst go on the bed.... oh my gosh im so upset, considering i have contracted it too. hopefully he will clear on the medication and nizerol baths....
post #15 of 32
does anyone know how long it takes for the cat to not be contageous anymorE?
post #16 of 32
It could be between 8-12 weeks. Even if a cat no longer shows legions they can still test positive. Woods Lamps are practically useless for detecting ringworm!! Only cultures will show when a cat is no longer positive for it.

When a positive cat with lesions is on oral meds for ringworm, the oral meds should be continued for 2 weeks past ALL lesions AND when 2 negative cultures have been received at 2 week intervals.

I didn't think ringworm was so common in colder climates. Were both of these Persians bought from breeders in Canada? It seems too much of a coincidence. They didn't happen to come from the same breeder?

Obviously these breeders are not too ethical if they're selling a cat with ringworm. They never should have given you these cats until they were 100% cured. And I have to wonder how their cats contracted it if they are indoor only.

I would be insisting that they pay for all medical bills, not only for your cats but for yourselves as well. An ethical breeder would never have allowed those cats to leave their cattery knowing full well what would happen.
post #17 of 32
Not only did my cat have ringworm, but coccidia (parasites) as well as a bacterial infection....... not impressed.
post #18 of 32
Fuzzmom, the original posting was for a himylayan, and mine is a persian, must be two separate breeders.
post #19 of 32
Originally Posted by kittykittysick View Post
Fuzzmom, the original posting was for a himylayan, and mine is a persian, must be two separate breeders.
Oops, thought both were the same type cat. Still, there are breeders who are into more than one breed. Might want to check to see if the cats came from the same area.
post #20 of 32
Originally Posted by kittykittysick View Post
Fuzzmom, the original posting was for a himylayan, and mine is a persian, must be two separate breeders.
Normally the same breeder will have both himmi and persian cats.
Because it's the same breed but himmi cats are pointed and persians are not.
Mommy cat can have both himmi and persian kittens in the same litter. When buying your kitten inspect the kitten to make sure it has no obvious signs of illness. I have one himmi and one persian and they both had no ringworm or parasites of any kind.
post #21 of 32
my breeder does not breed himis
post #22 of 32
After a new Devon Rex of mine brought ringworm into my home I did a lot of research on it. Thankfully, we only had one other cat at the time. Unfortunately, he got it really bad.

I understand that ringworm often resolves itself without medication. In a multiple cat household its not so easy as the cats will re-infect each other. Many cats will build up an immunity however and not get reinfected.

My suggestion: bathe your cats on a regular basisl - I believe you can get special shampoo to treat ringworm and clean your house - I mean clean, clean, clean - vaccum carptes, wash floors, wash blankets .... on a regular bais for several weeks. Did I mention clean?
post #23 of 32
Put him on a healthy diet, i would go raw (catnutrition.org can get you started with a recipe). Or at least grain-free canned.

Add to that quality Cod Liver Oil (I get mine from greenpasture.org), Nutritional Yeast (NOT BREWER'S YEAST! get at local healthfood store or online), and Primal Defense Probiotics (Iherb.com has the best price).

The probiotics will help his body become balanced with good bacteria which will get bad bacteria and fungus (including Ringworm) under control. Ringworm can be difficult to get rid of unless you treat it from the inside out by supporting the cat's overall health.

The yeast is high in bioavailable/easy to digest Bvitamins which are great for his skin and coat, and immune system. The CLO is also great for his immune system, coat and skin with very easily digestible Vit A & D in the absolute best form for uptake.

IMHO I would demand the breeder pay the vet bills for the ringworm and see how that goes. I doubt you want to send the poor guy back to live in a situation like that. I've rescued a breeding cat from a home she was miserable in so I know how you feel. Lucky for me she was healthy except for being very underweight and miserable. She LOVES it here =).

The probiotics will work on YOU TOO! Also you can get some Virgin Coconut Oil and eat that, feed some to him as well. I get mine from Tropical Traditions (www.TropicalTraditions.com). It has natural anti-fungal properties. And you can also use it as a lotion/cream on your sores and his. It will work like a charm if you are eating healthy and so is he. They have a cream i love and i use on myself and my newborn but straight food coconut oil is fine too just make sure you seperate it in a jar so you aren't touching your food stores after dealing with the cat.

Let me know by PM if you need more help. I'm here for you. Or look at my profile and visit my website to get my email address. I'm in the process of writing an article on ringworm treatment and hope to have it up soon but i'm a brand new mom and don't have lots of puter time right now. =)

Blessed be to you and this kitty. He is lucky to have you.

Pendraig Siberians
post #24 of 32
well, my cat is on innova EVO, itraconazole for his ringworm, lysine suppliments for his immune system, and it appears as if he may be getting an upper respiratory infection, so no clue if i can give him antibiotics at the same time as an anti fungal! im bathing him with nizerol, and hopefully the vet gets back to me soon!
post #25 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hi Guys I haven't been on in a few days, so I missed a lot of the chatter. Cat #3 has broken out with ringworm as well as the 2 kittens that were from a litter born before I acquired the new cat. I have now decided to treat all my cats with Grisseofulvin. I am also using Imaverol solution on the lesions, and bathing twice a week in Dermazole shampoo. I have spent in excess of $700 already and I am not finished yet. But treating aggressively seems to be the only way to get rid of it. I have bathed all my cats and bleached thoroughly since the onset of this thing and they still got it, Beware of any cat that has a skin condition. Have them checked by a vet before you buy them. Ask to check the skin of the mother cat if you are buying a kitten. It is easy to miss, I took my new cat to the vet the next day after getting him and realizing he had a problem and they never caught it. Unfortunatley I didn't follow my instincts and quarantine him and allowed him to roam my house with the other cats and look at the mess I am in. Not only am I out this money but I have had to suspend my breeding until this is cleared up. Too bad more breeders wouldn't do this.
post #26 of 32
[quote=Jonesie;2052174]I understand that ringworm often resolves itself without medication. In a multiple cat household its not so easy as the cats will re-infect each other. Many cats will build up an immunity however and not get reinfected. QUOTE]

Actually, that's incorrect. Even if a cat does not show signs of ringworm, it may very well become a carrier of the fungus. So, if you were to bring another animal into the home, the existing cat may break out again (due to stress) and the new animal stands an extremely good chance of getting it too. And, if you aren't cleaning on a daily basis, the spores can live in your environment for a long time -- up to 1 year. I have only ever known oral meds and topical creams/sprays used together to kill the ringworm spores. You should also be aware that creams developed for human use only sometimes work on animals.
post #27 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hi Again: It has been quite a while since I first posted this concern on the forum and I have learned a lot in the meantime,(thanks for everyones input) It seems there is only one way to treat ringworm and that is aggressively. If I ever had to do it again I would treat every cat in the house with Grisseofulvin right from the start. I thought that by quarantining the infected ones I could stop it, but by the time you know they have it it's is too late. I am still bleaching and vacuuming every day and bathing 2 times a week. This has been an exhausting experience. We are still doing skin tests, my breeding operation is on hold, and I am up to $1500 and have probably another $500 to spend before this is over. But I love my babies and would do anything for them,(including the one that brought it into the house) Unfortunately the guy I bought him from has been little help, He agreed to help with the costs and then only gave my $250. Again I urge anyone taking in a new cat to quaratine them before you bring them into the house and have them thoroughly checked by a vet. I only hope we are near the end. Thanks again for everyones suggestions and support. Merry Christmas Everyone
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanks for everyones support and advice. I just wanted to let everyone know that we are finally finished with this thing. All my cats have had 2 negative fungal cultures and are done their medication. The total cost has been $2100. Not including the shampoo's, carpet cleaning, and time we spent bleaching the house again and again. Most of my towels are ruined (bleach spots) but at least we are clear. Thanks again
post #29 of 32
Thank goodness for that!

Unfortunately, that's what you get for being a breeder! Has your cats' coats come back yet or still in the growing stages? Oh crud, just read the 1st post, your cat's a himmie which means at least 6 months before full coat

Now, whoever said breeding is easy and money making can think again!
post #30 of 32
I know this thread has been dormant for quite a while but I was wondering if anyone knows if Grisseofulvin can be used on kittens?

Just started a battle with ringworm on an Oriental kitten I purchased a week ago from a breeder. We have another cat (longhaired) and I am praying she doesn't catch it (so that we don't have to shave her).

The little guy is quarantined and I am so pleased they hadn't been introduced before I found out. We are following the daily cleaning regimen on the room he is in (luckily no carpet in there). Washing the room and all bedding etc in bleach and using a medicated hand wash to try and stop us contracting it. We are even bleaching the clothing we wear when we handle him.
So far the vet has given us a topical cream and the lime sulphur to dip him in but nothing for him to take orally.

Wondering if I should push for it...

Just want this to be over but not sure how long I should expect to be fighting this. All advice I have been given says I should expect that the other cat will get it and so will I...

Any advice?
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